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ToMy Son Was Accepted to a College He Can’t Afford. Now What?

Deborah Caldwell / Money Magazine

When I reached out to Facebook friends for advice, the reaction was immediate and intense— and the reason I am writing this essay.






In early April, my son Dan arrived home from the University of Wisconsin’s Admitted Students Day holding a Wisconsin windshield sticker—and immediately affixed it to our car above his older brother’s University of North Carolina sticker, with a smile I can only describe as vengeful younger-brother joy.

He, too, was going away to a prestigious public university in a storied college town and with a cult-like alumni following.

A couple days earlier I’d photographed him, lanky and beaming, at Bascom Hill, and posted to Facebook: “On Wisconsin! Dan’s a Badger.” Congratulations poured in: 58 “Likes” and 17 comments. He performed the teenage equivalent, recording Snap Stories for his buddies.

All along, he had been clear that he didn’t want to attend a private school because of the price tag: “$70,000 a year! That just makes me angry!” And then he’d laugh at the ridiculousness of those costs. Above average but not a rock star student, he labored through five Advanced Placement classes, including calculus, biology, and statistics; and earned a weighted grade point average well north of 4.0, as well as a very high ACT score.

He’ll graduate next month from a public high school in a New Jersey suburb, one of those places where 98% of the class attends a four-year college. Some go to Ivies or near Ivies, many to prestigious liberal arts colleges, and another group to public research universities. That’s my kids’ peer group. So Dan and I exulted our way through April.

Then, two weeks after we put down the deposit for Wisconsin, we got the financial aid package. We were stunned when he got zero—nada—in aid. Unless you count the $5,500 in federal loans we were offered.

“This must be a mistake,” I thought.

Out-of-state tuition, room, board, and fees for Wisconsin run more than $48,000 this year. Even with the money I’d saved in his 529 fund, there is no way I can afford to send him there, particularly on top of the cost of my elder son’s education. (A rising college junior at UNC, he got a decent financial aid package but will graduate with more than $50,000 in debt—which worries me, but that was his choice.) Their father and I are journalists, not hedge fund managers.

I wrote to a few people in the financial aid office at Wisconsin. They wrote back immediately, running the numbers again to be sure. No mistake.

You may know that public universities are feeling the effects of state funding cuts. According to a recent report by the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, between 2008 and 2013 states reduced financial support to top public research universities by nearly 30%. That’s one of the main reasons for increased college tuition at these universities. As a result, state universities are admitting more and more out-of-state and foreign students who will pay full freight—sometimes three times the tuition rate of state residents.

I guess they thought we would magically come up with that full freight, as did the other big universities where Dan was admitted, all of which charge between $46,000 and $51,000 for tuition, room, board, and fees for out-of-state students. We’d been aware of the Wisconsin budget drama, but somehow thought this would not affect us so harshly.



What to do? I recognize that sending my sons to out-of-state universities is a luxury, not a given. But it doesn’t feel like a luxury to my kids, who have grown up in an affluent community among competitive kids.

I, on the other hand, attended high school with the children of farmers, mechanics, and teachers in rural Pennsylvania. I graduated from a liberal arts college in my home state only because I received scholarships, federal loans, and a 50% tuition break given to the children of ministers. With a manageable debt load, I started my career at a low-paying job as a local newspaper reporter. I was able to do meaningful, often joyful work and excel at it because I wasn’t burdened with a lot of debt.

In emergency mode after the news from Wisconsin, I got in the car with Dan two Saturday nights ago and drove the 40 minutes to Rutgers University, New Jersey’s flagship state university, where he’d also been accepted. The total cost for in-state students: $26,000. (For out of state, it’s $42,000.)

Sure, it’s a good school. But it’s only 35 miles from home. And where was that ineffable Wisconsin magic? My son and I came home deflated.

I went to Facebook, once again, and wrote the following: “Crowdsourcing a heartfelt situation. We have discovered that Dan’s financial package at Wisconsin is nearly nil, and costs have increased by a lot….Dan so wants to go away for school. Yet the costs.….What, dear Facebook friends, would you do?”

The reaction was immediate and enormous—and the reason I am writing this essay. No fewer than 43 people replied with opinions, and counter-opinions, and counter-counter opinions.

First up was a New Yorker with this advice: “Wisconsin,” debt be damned. Then came this: “Rutgers is a great school. Is massive debt worth it these days for students?…If he doesn’t like it he can transfer later.”

Then this: “I’ve been putting off replying for a while because I’ve been having this argument with my boyfriend about how to balance the unknowable value that access to power/wealth provides vs. the more practical money value (keeping in mind my boyfriend went to Rutgers). I vote against his recommendation of Rutgers, but his arguments are just as legitimate.”



And this: “I will say a few things, mom to mom. I’ve seen other kids go through this and once they start, wherever they start, they come to feel at home. If not, it’s fine to transfer….When they graduate, if they don’t have loans to pay back, they can travel, or do something they love that only pays room and board, or can better afford graduate school. So it’s not just ‘we can’t afford it,’ but ‘here’s an opportunity.’”

A few people weighed in for Rutgers “for not only financial reasons but the fact that he is one train ticket away from NYC and the internship opportunities. Wisconsin is more the ‘college’ experience but Rutgers might provide more a ‘life’ experience.”

But this comment really got my attention: “I consider my decision to take on debt as one of my biggest life regrets….I’m not kidding when I say that by the time I finish paying it off, my one-year-old twins will be starting college.”

From this outpouring of sympathy, support, and personal stories, I saw the only clear option, and so did my son. Dan put the deposit down on Rutgers and made plans to room with one of his high school buddies.

This past Saturday, for the second time in a week, we got in the car and drove down the highway to Rutgers, this time listening to Killer Mike and Biggie Smalls. (You can imagine the mood in the car.)

We drove and walked the campus, admiring the gorgeous new business school building and winding our way through the streets surrounding the university. Dan bought a $20 T-shirt. But no back-of-the-car sticker.



As we were leaving, we spotted a couple of girls, one of them wearing a skirt so tight and short that when she crossed the street she had to pull it down to avoid baring her entire back end. “Oh dear Lord,” I thought. “He’ll turn into a meathead and date one of those girls.” I burst into tears, with my son yelling at me to “stop crying!”

When I texted this exchange to my husband his response was: “He’s not going to marry Snooki.”

Afterward, I did more research, discovering just how well-regarded my state’s flagship public university is. Over the next couple days, Dan reported that more and more of his classmates were choosing Rutgers, including one who’d been admitted to Johns Hopkins and Carnegie Mellon, all because they can’t afford to take on debt—from public or private schools alike.

Dan began to feel proud of himself for making a wise financial choice. I’ve come to realize how many students like Dan nationally are grappling with these kinds of decisions.

On Monday morning, he wore the Rutgers T-shirt for his school’s Decision Day festivities. The Wisconsin sticker is still on the car’s back windshield, above his brother’s University of North Carolina sticker.

I don’t know when he’ll peel it off. I don’t know if he’ll grow to love Rutgers. I don’t know if he’ll transfer. The only thing I know is that he is avoiding a crushing debt burden. For now, that’s good enough.
 
ToMy Son Was Accepted to a College He Can’t Afford. Now What?

Deborah Caldwell / Money Magazine

When I reached out to Facebook friends for advice, the reaction was immediate and intense— and the reason I am writing this essay.






In early April, my son Dan arrived home from the University of Wisconsin’s Admitted Students Day holding a Wisconsin windshield sticker—and immediately affixed it to our car above his older brother’s University of North Carolina sticker, with a smile I can only describe as vengeful younger-brother joy.

He, too, was going away to a prestigious public university in a storied college town and with a cult-like alumni following.

A couple days earlier I’d photographed him, lanky and beaming, at Bascom Hill, and posted to Facebook: “On Wisconsin! Dan’s a Badger.” Congratulations poured in: 58 “Likes” and 17 comments. He performed the teenage equivalent, recording Snap Stories for his buddies.

All along, he had been clear that he didn’t want to attend a private school because of the price tag: “$70,000 a year! That just makes me angry!” And then he’d laugh at the ridiculousness of those costs. Above average but not a rock star student, he labored through five Advanced Placement classes, including calculus, biology, and statistics; and earned a weighted grade point average well north of 4.0, as well as a very high ACT score.

He’ll graduate next month from a public high school in a New Jersey suburb, one of those places where 98% of the class attends a four-year college. Some go to Ivies or near Ivies, many to prestigious liberal arts colleges, and another group to public research universities. That’s my kids’ peer group. So Dan and I exulted our way through April.

Then, two weeks after we put down the deposit for Wisconsin, we got the financial aid package. We were stunned when he got zero—nada—in aid. Unless you count the $5,500 in federal loans we were offered.

“This must be a mistake,” I thought.

Out-of-state tuition, room, board, and fees for Wisconsin run more than $48,000 this year. Even with the money I’d saved in his 529 fund, there is no way I can afford to send him there, particularly on top of the cost of my elder son’s education. (A rising college junior at UNC, he got a decent financial aid package but will graduate with more than $50,000 in debt—which worries me, but that was his choice.) Their father and I are journalists, not hedge fund managers.

I wrote to a few people in the financial aid office at Wisconsin. They wrote back immediately, running the numbers again to be sure. No mistake.

You may know that public universities are feeling the effects of state funding cuts. According to a recent report by the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, between 2008 and 2013 states reduced financial support to top public research universities by nearly 30%. That’s one of the main reasons for increased college tuition at these universities. As a result, state universities are admitting more and more out-of-state and foreign students who will pay full freight—sometimes three times the tuition rate of state residents.

I guess they thought we would magically come up with that full freight, as did the other big universities where Dan was admitted, all of which charge between $46,000 and $51,000 for tuition, room, board, and fees for out-of-state students. We’d been aware of the Wisconsin budget drama, but somehow thought this would not affect us so harshly.



What to do? I recognize that sending my sons to out-of-state universities is a luxury, not a given. But it doesn’t feel like a luxury to my kids, who have grown up in an affluent community among competitive kids.

I, on the other hand, attended high school with the children of farmers, mechanics, and teachers in rural Pennsylvania. I graduated from a liberal arts college in my home state only because I received scholarships, federal loans, and a 50% tuition break given to the children of ministers. With a manageable debt load, I started my career at a low-paying job as a local newspaper reporter. I was able to do meaningful, often joyful work and excel at it because I wasn’t burdened with a lot of debt.

In emergency mode after the news from Wisconsin, I got in the car with Dan two Saturday nights ago and drove the 40 minutes to Rutgers University, New Jersey’s flagship state university, where he’d also been accepted. The total cost for in-state students: $26,000. (For out of state, it’s $42,000.)

Sure, it’s a good school. But it’s only 35 miles from home. And where was that ineffable Wisconsin magic? My son and I came home deflated.

I went to Facebook, once again, and wrote the following: “Crowdsourcing a heartfelt situation. We have discovered that Dan’s financial package at Wisconsin is nearly nil, and costs have increased by a lot….Dan so wants to go away for school. Yet the costs.….What, dear Facebook friends, would you do?”

The reaction was immediate and enormous—and the reason I am writing this essay. No fewer than 43 people replied with opinions, and counter-opinions, and counter-counter opinions.

First up was a New Yorker with this advice: “Wisconsin,” debt be damned. Then came this: “Rutgers is a great school. Is massive debt worth it these days for students?…If he doesn’t like it he can transfer later.”

Then this: “I’ve been putting off replying for a while because I’ve been having this argument with my boyfriend about how to balance the unknowable value that access to power/wealth provides vs. the more practical money value (keeping in mind my boyfriend went to Rutgers). I vote against his recommendation of Rutgers, but his arguments are just as legitimate.”



And this: “I will say a few things, mom to mom. I’ve seen other kids go through this and once they start, wherever they start, they come to feel at home. If not, it’s fine to transfer….When they graduate, if they don’t have loans to pay back, they can travel, or do something they love that only pays room and board, or can better afford graduate school. So it’s not just ‘we can’t afford it,’ but ‘here’s an opportunity.’”

A few people weighed in for Rutgers “for not only financial reasons but the fact that he is one train ticket away from NYC and the internship opportunities. Wisconsin is more the ‘college’ experience but Rutgers might provide more a ‘life’ experience.”

But this comment really got my attention: “I consider my decision to take on debt as one of my biggest life regrets….I’m not kidding when I say that by the time I finish paying it off, my one-year-old twins will be starting college.”

From this outpouring of sympathy, support, and personal stories, I saw the only clear option, and so did my son. Dan put the deposit down on Rutgers and made plans to room with one of his high school buddies.

This past Saturday, for the second time in a week, we got in the car and drove down the highway to Rutgers, this time listening to Killer Mike and Biggie Smalls. (You can imagine the mood in the car.)

We drove and walked the campus, admiring the gorgeous new business school building and winding our way through the streets surrounding the university. Dan bought a $20 T-shirt. But no back-of-the-car sticker.



As we were leaving, we spotted a couple of girls, one of them wearing a skirt so tight and short that when she crossed the street she had to pull it down to avoid baring her entire back end. “Oh dear Lord,” I thought. “He’ll turn into a meathead and date one of those girls.” I burst into tears, with my son yelling at me to “stop crying!”

When I texted this exchange to my husband his response was: “He’s not going to marry Snooki.”

Afterward, I did more research, discovering just how well-regarded my state’s flagship public university is. Over the next couple days, Dan reported that more and more of his classmates were choosing Rutgers, including one who’d been admitted to Johns Hopkins and Carnegie Mellon, all because they can’t afford to take on debt—from public or private schools alike.

Dan began to feel proud of himself for making a wise financial choice. I’ve come to realize how many students like Dan nationally are grappling with these kinds of decisions.

On Monday morning, he wore the Rutgers T-shirt for his school’s Decision Day festivities. The Wisconsin sticker is still on the car’s back windshield, above his brother’s University of North Carolina sticker.

I don’t know when he’ll peel it off. I don’t know if he’ll grow to love Rutgers. I don’t know if he’ll transfer. The only thing I know is that he is avoiding a crushing debt burden. For now, that’s good enough.

Thanks for posting JSJ. As someone who has a son who attends a SUNY school, and a daughter who will be attending a big southern state school next year, I can't begin to tell you how many times over the past 5 years I've had this conversation with my children, my friends/family and most often with myself. Still don't know if we made the right call with either of my children. It may be easier to know once we have the benefit of hindsight.
 
Imo , he made the right decision. It's not like he's comparing Rutgers to Harvard. If he wants to go to graduate school that will cost more money. No sense having a big debt for the difference between Rutgers and Wisconsin.
 
I spent the past weekend at an Alumni conference at Binghamton. The guest speakers all alumni, included a professor at Georgetown who has written many popular books, a top executive at Proctor and Gamble and one of the characters from the Big Short who is a St. John's fan and will likely be attending the game next season when our schools play. The facilities are beautiful. The students keep getting smarter, but money is an issue as state funding keeps going down. The wealthier Alumni's kids who are interested in Public Schools all look at Wisconsin, Florida, Maryland and others. However, we are working hard to keep them home and slowly we are winning.

Thanks for posting this article.
 
Binghamton is an excellent school.

I'm friends with a St. John's grad, a CPA, who is a CEO at a major firm and they actively recruit Binghamton.

He thinks their accounting grads are terrific.
 
I have difficulty understanding college tuition. I went to StJ, as a commuter from the Bronx, for under $1000 and that includes 4 years but not counting books and the rest of the college experience that I worked part time to buy. I asked for, and received probably $2000 in assistance from StJ and I did get a business scholarship from a local enterprise for senior year.
Today, the tuition with room and board at StJ is, (are you sitting down?), $55, 000 per year!. Of course, very few pay that with close to 98% receiving assistance from our endowment, from the alumni who generously give back, and from their home nation's development funding, but they are still owing on average buy my own arithmetic, over $100000.
The kids going there don't look very much different from me and I expect that the Bronx is in about the shape it was in the 50's. So, how does anyone from my neighborhood do it?
Starting adult life with limited job prospects and a personal burden that you can't reasonable in 5-10 years is not healthy for our country.
 
The average debt is in the $20K neighborhood, give or take, not $100K

Most kids who attend SJU still "day hop", so they are not taking loans for room and board.


The Fr. Dorr Golf outing which provides scholarships for deserving students will be held on Monday, June 20, the day after Father's Day, at The North Hempstead CC.

PM me if you are interested in taking a 4some.

Over 40% of our student body is Pell eligible.
 
Binghamton is an excellent school.

I'm friends with a St. John's grad, a CPA, who is a CEO at a major firm and they actively recruit Binghamton.

He thinks their accounting grads are terrific.

I was an accounting grad. Ernst and Young hires more Binghamton grads for their New York office than any other school. The challenge is getting more penetration into Wall Street as well as Hedge and Private Equity which are dominated by Ivy League and other top schools but we are starting to make inroads there as well.
 
If your son or daughter is considering a career in accounting then they should consider St. John Fisher college in Rochester, NY.

Accounting students from St. John Fisher recently won the national Deloitte FanTAXtic Competition, held at Deloitte University in Dallas, Texas. In winning the competition Fisher's students topped teams of accounting majors from Boston College, Brigham Young University, University of Florida, Lehigh University, University of North Colorado, Ohio State University, University of San Diego, and University of Wisconsin
http://www.sjfc.edu/news/detail.dot?id=e8c60dc8-1067-4dad-ad92-f2be1e524d8b

Fisher's coast of attendance is mid $40Ks.
 
Funny you posted this now. My son who wanted to go to wisconsin so bad but got no aid ( they give ZERO merit aid ) . He just last week decided to take free tuition from binghamton ( paying just room and board). Was he happy? not really but we laid it out to him that he would have to foot some of the difference between SUNY and UW. Now that the dust has settled he is ok with the decision and realizes he wont have mortgage after grad school before buying a house. This article just reinforced what i thought.
 
I have been in the financial services business for over 40 years. I guess you could call me a "Financial planner, all though this is a much touted designation!
Be comfortable in knowing that you and your son made the right decision, and don't look back! Good luck!
 
If your son or daughter is considering a career in accounting then they should consider St. John Fisher college in Rochester, NY.

Accounting students from St. John Fisher recently won the national Deloitte FanTAXtic Competition, held at Deloitte University in Dallas, Texas. In winning the competition Fisher's students topped teams of accounting majors from Boston College, Brigham Young University, University of Florida, Lehigh University, University of North Colorado, Ohio State University, University of San Diego, and University of Wisconsin
http://www.sjfc.edu/news/detail.dot?id=e8c60dc8-1067-4dad-ad92-f2be1e524d8b

Fisher's coast of attendance is mid $40Ks.

Im trying to remember but I think it was around $18k in the mid 90's. It was strong in the 90's for accounting which is why I went there, I just never entered the field after graduation.
 
I have clients across the u.s. and my exoeriences with them supports the widely held notion that brand bias among college choices exists in the northeast like nowhere else. Bright kids in iowa largely think of univ of iowa. Theres nothing wrong with iowa state either.

Parents in the nyc area buy into this brand bias as well. "My son/daughter goes to ________" is a common badge of honor if the school is prestigious, and often even if its good to very good, as if their children's academic success somehow is a sign of their own intellect.

My wife teaches in a district that is largely asian, and one of the best publuc high schools in the u.s. Asian parents as a group are much more pragmatic. Kids are expected to bust it academically, and they will find a way to pay for an ivy education. Short of that valued acceptance letter, state university within NYS is the way to go. This has helped fuel the competitiveness of schools like Binggamton and Stony Brook.

A college degree from the right school is akso a pedigree tgat will get you only so far. No doubt a Harvard grad will get far more job interviews and likely even job offers than a kid who went to a low rung 4 year school. But once a job interview is offered or subsequently a job, more often than not real takent and diligence is the driver for career success.

Bottom line is tgat a private education or even out of state attendance at a state u. Is a commodity that prudent parents and children must weigh the ROI before spending hard earned dollars or taking on huge debt.
 
I have clients across the u.s. and my exoeriences with them supports the widely held notion that brand bias among college choices exists in the northeast like nowhere else. Bright kids in iowa largely think of univ of iowa. Theres nothing wrong with iowa state either.

Parents in the nyc area buy into this brand bias as well. "My son/daughter goes to ________" is a common badge of honor if the school is prestigious, and often even if its good to very good, as if their children's academic success somehow is a sign of their own intellect.

My wife teaches in a district that is largely asian, and one of the best publuc high schools in the u.s. Asian parents as a group are much more pragmatic. Kids are expected to bust it academically, and they will find a way to pay for an ivy education. Short of that valued acceptance letter, state university within NYS is the way to go. This has helped fuel the competitiveness of schools like Binggamton and Stony Brook.

A college degree from the right school is akso a pedigree tgat will get you only so far. No doubt a Harvard grad will get far more job interviews and likely even job offers than a kid who went to a low rung 4 year school. But once a job interview is offered or subsequently a job, more often than not real takent and diligence is the driver for career success.

Bottom line is tgat a private education or even out of state attendance at a state u. Is a commodity that prudent parents and children must weigh the ROI before spending hard earned dollars or taking on huge debt.

Agree completely Beast. When it comes to making these kinds of decisions, there is no "right or wrong" choice. It's simply a matter of taking everything in to account and making the "best" decision for the student and the family at that moment in time. For my son, the best decision at the time was a SUNY school. For my daughter, the best decision(recently made) was a southern state school. It's not that she wanted a better "name" school, it's that she wanted a different experience. Thankfully we will figure out how to manage financially without her graduating with huge student loan debt. I got questioned(and criticized behind my back, I'm sure) to no end about sending my daughter to a private high school at a moment in time, that I am not ashamed to admit, when finances were very tough. While it wasn't easy making the tuition payments, watching my daughter thrive and grow over her 4 years in high school made it the best money I ever spent. In hindsight, I would do it all over again. My son, OTOH, did just fine in public high school. Again, each family, each student and each situation is different.
 
I have often said that the greatest gift we could give our children is a debt free education.
 
My MBA was paid by my G.I. benefits. Maybe some kids should serve their country before their country serves them.

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My MBA was paid by my G.I. benefits. Maybe some kids should serve their country before their country serves them.

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My son leaves for Parris Island 2 days after graduation then 2 days after he returns he heads off to College in Worcester and goes into the reserves while in college. Two words describe how I feel in todays world; proud and scared. I need to learn more about when he is eligible for education benefits . This will happen in time.
I saw an interesting article in a publication recently that took JFK's quote "ask not what your country can do for you, rather ask what you can do for your country" . The article went on to discuss if he could get the Democrat nomination with that philosophy today.
The times they are a changing!
 
I have often said that the greatest gift we could give our children is a debt free education.

Aristotle 384-322 BC:
For the things we have to learn to do before we can do them, we learn by doing them.

Always liked that idea - whether where to allow your kid to attend college, which coach to hire, how to earn your $ and better still how
to spend it wisely...etc

We can only do our best and adjust as we go along. Coincidently my daughter was a "star student" according to, yes, U Wisc who I informed me she would get zero aid. She went to SUNY and all is well.

I VOTE FOR LESS DEBT - some experts say $/debt us the biggest source of stress. I bet some of us agree.

Finally high school used to mean something, then college, then masters degrees now no (almost) education assures a fine job. Or happiness.

Thanks for the topic JSJ and the insightful posts.

PS as a veteran I understand the factors involved w/ a son or daughter considering the military service -college - money connection. Just be prepared for overseas travel and, of course, I don't mean Aruba or Cancun.

all the best
 
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