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And I couldn't agree more.
And I couldn't agree more.
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redfan259999888
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"Which is a shame. Because Steve Lavin has built something pretty special, against all odds, at St. John's in 2015."
Yes, for this year.
Next year: Jordan and Obekpa could come back, Diallo and a PG could come, and we'd be in real good shape. On the other hand they could both leave, get 3 star recruits besides Brandon, and we'd be the youngest team in the nation once again. In Lavins 6th year is that acceptable?
Lets leave it all play out.
This post is just responding to the article, and not to cause chaos on this board.
I know I'll be attacked for this post, well go ahead, but I'm not going back and forth with anyone on here.
Yes, for this year.
Next year: Jordan and Obekpa could come back, Diallo and a PG could come, and we'd be in real good shape. On the other hand they could both leave, get 3 star recruits besides Brandon, and we'd be the youngest team in the nation once again. In Lavins 6th year is that acceptable?
Lets leave it all play out.
This post is just responding to the article, and not to cause chaos on this board.
I know I'll be attacked for this post, well go ahead, but I'm not going back and forth with anyone on here.
It is not "against the odds", to do what Lavin is doing.
Mahoney, Fran, and Jarvis all made NCAA tournament appearances and had a recruit or two better than any Lavin has signed. Fact.
3 of the 4 post Lou coaches have shown you can recruit and win here. Lavin shouldn't get credit for not being Norm.
Mahoney, Fran, and Jarvis all made NCAA tournament appearances and had a recruit or two better than any Lavin has signed. Fact.
3 of the 4 post Lou coaches have shown you can recruit and win here. Lavin shouldn't get credit for not being Norm.
rawdognyc
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So they did all of that including recruiting top talent into the new Big East? I don't understand how any of you people think..Are you really this dense, yes or no? They lay it out as clear as day what he has done.. In 4 frikkin seasons that he has been on the bench coaching the whole year he has 3 twenty win seasons and the other a 17 win season...2 ncaa's and 2 NITs... I can't even comprehend what you expect or don't see.. Smfh... You people never cease to amaze me..
You have to understand that people are going to have different view points. There are rational reasons to support, and rational reason not to support this coach. That said, calling someone "brain dead" because they don't agree with your opinion is rather unsophisticated.
rawdognyc
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Please enlighten me to what Mr. Lavin should have accomplished up to this point having to build a program from complete scratch that would be acceptable in your eyes...also please reference a coach who has done what Lavin has done under the same circumstances, that way we have someone to compare him to. thank you
boo haarvey
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Here's a question for those who know more about recruiting than I do. How much has the fact that lavin has not received a contract extension hurt recruiting this year? Not talking about last year or the year before, talking about this year.
Personally, I believe Lavin deserves a contract extension. I stand by what I said at the beginning of the season... this was his make or break year at St. John's. The team has had a very good season and will be in the big dance. Who can honestly be unhappy with that? But I'm not exactly going to drink the Kool Aid quite yet. Fact is he absolutely bombed last year's recruiting class. Amar had a so-so freshman year, ADR did not even qualify, and Thomas is AWOL. And contrary to what some posters on this board believe, as of right now the 2015 class is not looking great. Now, there is plenty of time and help on the horizon to change that. Get a guy like Diallo and it changes overnight. But nobody is going to convince me that Sampson, Doughty, and Barnes-Thompkins will keep this program afloat. When guys aren't ranked, there's usually a reason for that.
So again, I am 100% for giving Lavin an extension. He's earned it. But I think it's fair to expect better recruiting results than we've seen the past couple of years.
Lavin easily deserves and extension. It's a no-brainer. He was derailed by cancer which certainly set back his recruiting efforts, but we are playing well, have several solid seasons under Lavin and he deserves it without a doubt imo.
I don't think Lavin is the end-all of coaches for certain, but SJU more than anything needs some brand stability here. We need a decade or so where we build back to prominence, not cycling coaches and that is something that doesn't happen overnight.
I think Lavin provides some of that brand stability and he's recognizable nationally which helps our image a bit. He's also great with his players and truly cares about them. I agree that we should appreciate what we have right now because even though SJU might have little rebuilding to do next year, we are still positioned well and have had a team over the past few seasons that has been vastly more enjoyable than the decade or two before Lavin.
We need some stability and when you have a guy like Lavin that has his recruiting ability, we are always just a few signees away from being back at the top of our league.
I don't think Lavin is the end-all of coaches for certain, but SJU more than anything needs some brand stability here. We need a decade or so where we build back to prominence, not cycling coaches and that is something that doesn't happen overnight.
I think Lavin provides some of that brand stability and he's recognizable nationally which helps our image a bit. He's also great with his players and truly cares about them. I agree that we should appreciate what we have right now because even though SJU might have little rebuilding to do next year, we are still positioned well and have had a team over the past few seasons that has been vastly more enjoyable than the decade or two before Lavin.
We need some stability and when you have a guy like Lavin that has his recruiting ability, we are always just a few signees away from being back at the top of our league.
Class of 72
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How many remembered Lou Carnesecca's last 5 seasons? Before redmen.com there was grumbling that the game and recruiting had passed him by but he retired and annointed Brian Mahoney his successor when we all knew what an abject failure he had been at Manhattan as a head coach. He was the Caucasian version of Norm Roberts. Unfortunately Louie had too much influence in the selection of coaches and it hurt STJ. Mike Jarvis, after the departure of the Fran Fraschilla recruits, was a failure in comparison when you look at his last 3+ years. In none of his final 3 years did Jarvis win more than 20 games without post season wins pushing the record to 20.
I still reserve judgment on Lavin's future until I see this year's final recruiting results and accept that next year will be more of a rebuilding that reloading but only because had three key players stayed with their commitment to STJ history would have been kinder to Lavin. Can anyone picture Lavin's success if this team had Harkless, Sampson, Gathers along with Obekpa, Harrison, Pointer, Branch, Greene and Jordan. That lineup would have been Final Four material.
As for the author, he been around New York sports quite a while.
http://newyork.sbnation.com/2010/6/16/1520908/sb-nation-new-york-get-to-know-a-blogger-howard