Most Expensive Catholic Colleges
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beast of the east
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While schools do not collaborate to fix tuition/room/board rates, they are well aware of what other schools are charging, especially those in the same demographic area, and those with similar academic standing. Many schools wait till competitors price their upcoming year's tuitions before setting theirs.
beast of the east
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Well first of all, it's hard to discount room and board, which is going to be within narrower ranges for private universities. Tuition is trickier, because it doesn't consider the average amount of discounts to scholarship and grant-in aid. From what I've been told, St. John's tuition is a sticker price, with 95% of students getting a discount as described (grants/scholarship)
1. Facts do not support the talking points that somehow St.John's gives substantially greater financial aid than the other Catholic colleges. I will be pleased to provide data if anyone challenges this statement.
2. St.John's and the dwindling number of apologists for the St.John's Administration cannot spin the fact that the average indebtedness of its graduates is a whopping $29,199. Not to be lost in the discussion is the fact that an embarrassingly high 41% of St.john's students fail to graduate within 6 years. Pity the student that was admitted to St.John's who borrowed substantial sums but lacked the finances to finish, or the student that lacked the academic skills to ever graduate.
3. The cold hard reality is that the business model which St.John's has adopted requires St.John's to admit 2,800 freshman each year to generate the required revenue.
2. St.John's and the dwindling number of apologists for the St.John's Administration cannot spin the fact that the average indebtedness of its graduates is a whopping $29,199. Not to be lost in the discussion is the fact that an embarrassingly high 41% of St.john's students fail to graduate within 6 years. Pity the student that was admitted to St.John's who borrowed substantial sums but lacked the finances to finish, or the student that lacked the academic skills to ever graduate.
3. The cold hard reality is that the business model which St.John's has adopted requires St.John's to admit 2,800 freshman each year to generate the required revenue.
beast of the east
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Otis, could you provide a link to these numbers. I'm not representing SJU generosity to be fact, but the school does represent this to be true. I'm not sure I understand how $29,199 of indebtedness for an education that with room and board costs $200,000 is a whopping number. Where does the difference come from if half of SJU's student body comes from families with incomes of $50K or less?
The six year graduation rate is appalling. I'd love to see those numbers split out by Pell eligible vs. non-Pell eligible students. Are they available? They must be kept somewhere. I wonder if Pell grants are extended beyond 4 years. Also if students are staying more than 4 years, why only $29K in indebtedness. something doesn't add up. Could you clarify?
Pleasedontbanmeagain
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Come on...we all know how those splits would come out :silly:
Beast,
The the cite for the numbers I provide in this and other posts are generally taken from information provided by The College Board. I have included the link to St.John's information which The College Board provides.
Please understand that the spin by the dwindling number of apologists for the St. John's Administration that asks you to believe the tale that St.John's offers among the most generous financial aid is disproved by the below numbers which shows that despite the fact that St.John's is located in the city with perhaps the highest cost of living that St.John's average 1st year financial aid package is in the middle of the groupings for the schools in the Big East Conference.
School.......................Average 1st year financial package.........Grad rate w/in 6 years.......... SAT scores
Xavier ...............................$19,115................................................78%......................... 500to 600/ 500 to 600
DePaul................................$21,917................................................68%..........................530 to 640/ 510 to 630
Marquette ..........................$22,661.................................................80%..........................520 to 630/ 550 to 650
Butler .................................$23,604 ................................................73%..........................530 to 630/ 540 to 650
St.John's.....................$27,145......................................59%....................480 to 590/ 490 to 620
Providence...........................$28,357..................................................87%...........................520 to 630/ 530 to 640
Creighton.............................$29,251..................................................75%............................530 to 630/ 540 to 660
Villanova..............................$33,168..................................................88%..........................590 to 680/ 610 to 710
Georgetown..........................$34,238...............................................not reported.............650 to 750/ 660 to 750
Seton Hall.........................not reported.............................................not reported ..................not reported...................
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beast of the east
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I appreciate you taking the time to respond and post this. These numbers could very well be the amount of aid provided for QUALIFYING students, and not indicative of the average per student reduction on first year costs. I know for a fact that Villanova offers very little to nothing for students not qualifying for consideration for a Presidential scholarship - to apply required at least a 1350 SAT (math/verbal) and it is likely higher now since that was 8 years ago. I would imagine the same is true of Georgetown as well. I have been told 95% of all SJU students receive some package of aid/scholarships and that is definitely, 100% not true of Villanova.
Beast:
I appreciate your attempt to disprove facts by offering your opinions and anecdotal evidence to advance the worn tale that St.John's University offers the top financial assistance to its students but the reality is that facts, not opinion, disprove your position. In my above post I demonstrated that even among the members of the Big East, St.John's falls "average 1st year financial package" somewhere in the middle of the pack.
Facts are a stubborn thing and unless you can offer facts (not opinion) to support your opinions to disprove the facts provided by The College Board then your spin fails.
Below are some additional eastern Catholic and private national/ regional universities which again prove that St.John's "average 1st year financial package" fall somewhere in the middle.
St. Joe's Philly ............$24,005
Catholic ......................$25,263
St.John's ..............$27,145
Fordham .....................$27,856
Holy Cross ...................$33,492
Boston College ...........$34,302
Syracuse University ....$35,120
What part of the word "average" as used by The College Board in the phrase "average 1st year financial package" do you believe is ambiguous?.
I appreciate your attempt to disprove facts by offering your opinions and anecdotal evidence to advance the worn tale that St.John's University offers the top financial assistance to its students but the reality is that facts, not opinion, disprove your position. In my above post I demonstrated that even among the members of the Big East, St.John's falls "average 1st year financial package" somewhere in the middle of the pack.
Facts are a stubborn thing and unless you can offer facts (not opinion) to support your opinions to disprove the facts provided by The College Board then your spin fails.
Below are some additional eastern Catholic and private national/ regional universities which again prove that St.John's "average 1st year financial package" fall somewhere in the middle.
St. Joe's Philly ............$24,005
Catholic ......................$25,263
St.John's ..............$27,145
Fordham .....................$27,856
Holy Cross ...................$33,492
Boston College ...........$34,302
Syracuse University ....$35,120
What part of the word "average" as used by The College Board in the phrase "average 1st year financial package" do you believe is ambiguous?.
beast of the east
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Otis,
I'm not disputing your statistics, but statistics are a funny thing. They don't necessarily tell the entire story. Are these numbers the average amount of aid that is offered to each student in attendance, or simply the average financial aid package offered to students receiving aid. If the latter, the above numbers would not tell the story of how what percentage of the student population receives aid. For example, if at Boston College, 10% of all students receive financial aid, then the $34,302 takes on a different meaning than ALL BC students receiving an average of $34,302 in financial aid. Not trying to be obtuse or contrarian, but which is it?