Max & Marco

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I know it's only been two games, but what do you guys think of their lack of playing time? Is it because they are a liability on defense, are they struggling in practice? I thought for sure one of them would see some time when we were up 15 against Wagner. Given our glaring weakness in shooting 3s (mind you this didn't just sneak up on us, this was a problem last year too) I thought they would have seen more playing time.
 
What do you mean? Max played 24 minutes! Oh, wait, he played only 24 seconds! Plenty of time to get into a groove! And coach said Marco had a great week of practice and he would get some burn (or words to that effect). Maybe we are saving them as our secret weapon against Syracuse. Would have liked to have seen at least one of them get a 5 minute run especially when we were up 18 in the first half just to see if we could hit a few threes and stretch the D to open the inside for the S and S boys.
 
I know it's only been two games, but what do you guys think of their lack of playing time? Is it because they are a liability on defense, are they struggling in practice? I thought for sure one of them would see some time when we were up 15 against Wagner. Given our glaring weakness in shooting 3s (mind you this didn't just sneak up on us, this was a problem last year too) I thought they would have seen more playing time.
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I don't care about their lack of playing time and neither am I surprised by it. Bourgault demonstrated last year that he's not exactly instant offense off the bench. And Hooper is a sophomore transfer from the Ivy League, who, despite his impressive youtube resume, has shown done nothing in college. At best both are one dimensional players on a team that's got a bunch of lacking dimensions to worry about.

And then there's this: "Lavin said that while he isn’t opposed to the 3-pointer, his team is better suited to attack the paint. “I wish we took less of them,” Lavin said."

I for one was pleased that Lavin let his starters close out the game yesterday - hold the presses: it was perhaps an astute coaching move - so that they could see what it's like. As a group they'd previously won 3 games since last January. Whereas I don't see much of a point to letting Heath Antoine Hooperorvis hoist up a bunch of threes up 15. To prepare them for what, garbage time?
 
Obviously, too early to say for sure but they appear to be clones of each other
Very good stand still shooters who can't create their own shots
Having said that, I wouldn't wager $ against either of them in a game of horse
 
I know it's only been two games, but what do you guys think of their lack of playing time? Is it because they are a liability on defense, are they struggling in practice? I thought for sure one of them would see some time when we were up 15 against Wagner. Given our glaring weakness in shooting 3s (mind you this didn't just sneak up on us, this was a problem last year too) I thought they would have seen more playing time.
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I don't care about their lack of playing time and neither am I surprised by it. Bourgault demonstrated last year that he's not exactly instant offense off the bench. And Hooper is a sophomore transfer from the Ivy League, who, despite his impressive youtube resume, has shown done nothing in college. At best both are one dimensional players on a team that's got a bunch of lacking dimensions to worry about.

And then there's this: "Lavin said that while he isn’t opposed to the 3-pointer, his team is better suited to attack the paint. “I wish we took less of them,” Lavin said."

I for one was pleased that Lavin let his starters close out the game yesterday - hold the presses: it was perhaps an astute coaching move - so that they could see what it's like. As a group they'd previously won 3 games since last January. Whereas I don't see much of a point to letting Heath Antoine Hooperorvis hoist up a bunch of threes up 15. To prepare them for what, garbage time?
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Agree with the entire post. How would you like to be a supposed three point specialist (Max, Marco) and read Lavin's comments?
 
I know it's only been two games, but what do you guys think of their lack of playing time? Is it because they are a liability on defense, are they struggling in practice? I thought for sure one of them would see some time when we were up 15 against Wagner. Given our glaring weakness in shooting 3s (mind you this didn't just sneak up on us, this was a problem last year too) I thought they would have seen more playing time.
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I don't care about their lack of playing time and neither am I surprised by it. Bourgault demonstrated last year that he's not exactly instant offense off the bench. And Hooper is a sophomore transfer from the Ivy League, who, despite his impressive youtube resume, has shown done nothing in college. At best both are one dimensional players on a team that's got a bunch of lacking dimensions to worry about.

And then there's this: "Lavin said that while he isn’t opposed to the 3-pointer, his team is better suited to attack the paint. “I wish we took less of them,” Lavin said."

I for one was pleased that Lavin let his starters close out the game yesterday - hold the presses: it was perhaps an astute coaching move - so that they could see what it's like. As a group they'd previously won 3 games since last January. Whereas I don't see much of a point to letting Heath Antoine Hooperorvis hoist up a bunch of threes up 15. To prepare them for what, garbage time?
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How about he actually grab that shiny clipboard of his and draw up a play to get them into the paint?

He's really hard to listen to. It's tiring.

It's almost like a blame game. If they don't know what to do, how about taking some accountability for that. It's your "system", no?

Let me guess. The team attacks the basket relentlessly in practice but when the game starts they just somehow revert to looking like an AAU team because they simply aren't following his instructions.

Come on.
 
Max entered the game with 24 seconds remaining in the first half. SJU inbounds the ball from under their own basket with 3 seconds remaining on the shot clock. Max runs from under the basket to the foul line and then to his left and receives the inbound pass behind the 3 pt arc. He got off a good quick shot that hit iron. This looked like a designed play for Max who just failed to hit the shot. Had he made the shot he probably would have had 10 minutes of playing time in the 2nd half. But there seems to be no second chances here.
Also, Obekpa seemed unhappy every time he was removed from the game. Wondering if he's in the dog house. He played 16 minutes and lacked fire. I don't remember if he was ever on the court with Sanchez. Would love to see if there could be some chemistry with the 2 big guys, Samson and 2 guards.
 
I know it's only been two games, but what do you guys think of their lack of playing time? Is it because they are a liability on defense, are they struggling in practice? I thought for sure one of them would see some time when we were up 15 against Wagner. Given our glaring weakness in shooting 3s (mind you this didn't just sneak up on us, this was a problem last year too) I thought they would have seen more playing time.
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I don't care about their lack of playing time and neither am I surprised by it. Bourgault demonstrated last year that he's not exactly instant offense off the bench. And Hooper is a sophomore transfer from the Ivy League, who, despite his impressive youtube resume, has shown done nothing in college. At best both are one dimensional players on a team that's got a bunch of lacking dimensions to worry about.

And then there's this: "Lavin said that while he isn’t opposed to the 3-pointer, his team is better suited to attack the paint. “I wish we took less of them,” Lavin said."

I for one was pleased that Lavin let his starters close out the game yesterday - hold the presses: it was perhaps an astute coaching move - so that they could see what it's like. As a group they'd previously won 3 games since last January. Whereas I don't see much of a point to letting Heath Antoine Hooperorvis hoist up a bunch of threes up 15. To prepare them for what, garbage time?
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Agree. As much I think it will good to get some long range threats, I think priority #1 is to get the core rotation set and comfortable. I think Lavin's decision to separate Jordan and Branch was a good one. Although I like Branch, there was too much uncertainty when they were in together. Last night looked like an attempt to find combinations that can work.
 
I know it's only been two games, but what do you guys think of their lack of playing time? Is it because they are a liability on defense, are they struggling in practice? I thought for sure one of them would see some time when we were up 15 against Wagner. Given our glaring weakness in shooting 3s (mind you this didn't just sneak up on us, this was a problem last year too) I thought they would have seen more playing time.
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I don't care about their lack of playing time and neither am I surprised by it. Bourgault demonstrated last year that he's not exactly instant offense off the bench. And Hooper is a sophomore transfer from the Ivy League, who, despite his impressive youtube resume, has shown done nothing in college. At best both are one dimensional players on a team that's got a bunch of lacking dimensions to worry about.

And then there's this: "Lavin said that while he isn’t opposed to the 3-pointer, his team is better suited to attack the paint. “I wish we took less of them,” Lavin said."

I for one was pleased that Lavin let his starters close out the game yesterday - hold the presses: it was perhaps an astute coaching move - so that they could see what it's like. As a group they'd previously won 3 games since last January. Whereas I don't see much of a point to letting Heath Antoine Hooperorvis hoist up a bunch of threes up 15. To prepare them for what, garbage time?
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How about he actually grab that shiny clipboard of his and draw up a play to get them into the paint?

He's really hard to listen to. It's tiring.

It's almost like a blame game. If they don't know what to do, how about taking some accountability for that. It's your "system", no?

Let me guess. The team attacks the basket relentlessly in practice but when the game starts they just somehow revert to looking like an AAU team because they simply aren't following his instructions.

Come on.
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We did get in the paint. We shot 36 FTs. There was a period late 1st/early2nd half where we reverted to AAU style but when they sensed it was time to clamp down, they started driving again.

They need to be reminded when they are reverting to AAU with some consequences (bench time)...Had they not had that lapse, we would have won by 30...

That said, we are not alone...see LIU/Indiana, Columbia/Mich State...
 
Max entered the game with 24 seconds remaining in the first half. SJU inbounds the ball from under their own basket with 3 seconds remaining on the shot clock. Max runs from under the basket to the foul line and then to his left and receives the inbound pass behind the 3 pt arc. He got off a good quick shot that hit iron. This looked like a designed play for Max who just failed to hit the shot. Had he made the shot he probably would have had 10 minutes of playing time in the 2nd half. But there seems to be no second chances here.
Also, Obekpa seemed unhappy every time he was removed from the game. Wondering if he's in the dog house. He played 16 minutes and lacked fire. I don't remember if he was ever on the court with Sanchez. Would love to see if there could be some chemistry with the 2 big guys, Samson and 2 guards.
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You ever heard of rhythm. I don't care how good a shooter is. It can't be expected for a guy to come off the bench cold and just knock one down just because he's a good shooter.

Lavin didn't complain about the quantity of 3s when Max knocked down 10 in Europe.
 
I personally would like to see one of the two get some minutes. When you're 0-10 from 3 and you have a couple guys that can drain them on the bench you can't help but hope they get an opportunity going forward. I understand that both might be defensive liabilities and the more they play, the less someone else plays, but I think if we are going to do something memorable this season we need to be a threat from the outside at some point. Its been so long since we could shoot the ball from the outside and I'm not so sure Jordan is going to help there either, although time will tell on what he brings to the table.

On a different note, it was nice to see us knocking down some free throws last night for a change.
 
We scored no 3 pointers. I don't know how he couldn't give Max a chance.
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Maybe because Lavin realizes the two-headed designated three point shooters are very one dimensional and that if they hit at a 33-40% rate, (not likely), and still give up too many easy buckets on the defensive end because of their lack of quickness it's a wash, (at best), he's not willing to take. And if they can't match those percentages it's a loss he won't accept.

I think right now he's trying to build team confidence and he'll try working them in at some point.

Despite all the coachspeak since last season/the signing of Jordan, it's obvious that, at least right now, as DLo and JaKarr go so goes SJU.
 
How many relatives does hooper have on this site? Jeesh. Are we going to discuss his lack of PT after every game? The guy hasn't proven anything at either of 2 schools yet in a game. This is a very deep, talented roster. It's tough for anyone to crack the lineup. And that applies to a kid who couldn't get run at an ivy school. I'd love for him to be a valuable contributor on the perimeter for say ten minutes a game, but I won't hold my breath.

Marco's lack of athleticism and defense put him back on the bench last season. Unless he has changed either of those things, he will stay there.

Why can't we focus on those guys who do play until either of these two shooters hits some shots in a game?
 
How many relatives does hooper have on this site? Jeesh. Are we going to discuss his lack of PT after every game? The guy hasn't proven anything at either of 2 schools yet in a game. This is a very deep, talented roster. It's tough for anyone to crack the lineup. And that applies to a kid who couldn't get run at an ivy school. I'd love for him to be a valuable contributor on the perimeter for say ten minutes a game, but I won't hold my breath.

Marco's lack of athleticism and defense put him back on the bench last season. Unless he has changed either of those things, he will stay there.

Why can't we focus on those guys who do play until either of these two shooters hits some shots in a game?
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Agree, and a 9 man rotation is perfect .
 
Fun is right on ts one. We played a very good rotation last night. Only one point in time it wasn't great and they went on their initial run, but Lavin made changes. Hooper and Bourgault are role players. Let's be straight about it. They can shoot, but Wagner was too fast and athletic and Lavin cares more about winning games than hitting threes, which is a good thing. I wish we had one or two more starting caliber guys who can hit threes, but we don't. Sanchez can shoot but doesn't look to that aspect much. Branch and Jordan can shoot a bit too, but they too haven't looked for their shot. Still, I thought the rotation was spot-on and Marco/max just the victims of our depth and tightening of the rotation. I'm glad that Gift cracked it. He's going to help us and fits well into our rotation of forwards.
 
The thing with Marco is that he has a nice looking shot but zero history of actually being a sharpshooter coming to St John's. I think he is decently athletic and he has shown that he is not afraid to mix it up. He is not a bad option overall but has been given the shot to be our go to 3pt shooter and hasn't delivered. In the order of depth I'd rather see Felix who has way more upside right now and for the future. In other words, I'm not complaining about his lack of PT

Hooper what I'd like to see is a few minutes of time strung together before he gets permanently benched. I don't think he's actually gotten enough time for anyone to say that he is fatally lacking in speed, athleticism or otherwise and he is tall and long enough that in his limited time, he's gotten defensive assignments against 3s and 4s. The problem is not so much that fans are enamored with him as much as that we were given reason to be enamored with him so that guys like me that doubted he's see any meaningful PT were open or even hopeful to be proven wrong. Several of his teammates talked him up and he hit 10 3's in a game in the European summer play. Considering that we are one of the worst 3pt shooting teams in the nation from last year well into our two games, it is not unreasonable to want to see this kid get some open looks.
 
Hooper what I'd like to see is a few minutes of time strung together before he gets permanently benched. I don't think he's actually gotten enough time for anyone to say that he is fatally lacking in speed, athleticism or otherwise and he is tall and long enough that in his limited time, he's gotten defensive assignments against 3s and 4s. The problem is not so much that fans are enamored with him as much as that we were given reason to be enamored with him so that guys like me that doubted he's see any meaningful PT were open or even hopeful to be proven wrong. Several of his teammates talked him up and he hit 10 3's in a game in the European summer play. Considering that we are one of the worst 3pt shooting teams in the nation from last year well into our two games, it is not unreasonable to want to see this kid get some open looks.
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He's also a 4 year player two games into his 2nd year. That he has not played much in the first two games for which he was eligible doesn't mean he can't or won't contribute at some point down the road. It just might not be this year.
 
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