Masiello/Manhattan Rift

He is fortunate to have that job, given the lack of a degree and being less than honest about it until he got caught. And he would leave in a hot second if a big job came up.
 
He is fortunate to have that job, given the lack of a degree and being less than honest about it until he got caught. And he would leave in a hot second if a big job came up.

And that makes him different than any other mid major coach?

Something will give and one of them will be gone next year. Total toss up IMO. The AD is nuts and Masiello already tried to leave once.
 
He is fortunate to have that job, given the lack of a degree and being less than honest about it until he got caught. And he would leave in a hot second if a big job came up.

And that makes him different than any other mid major coach?

Something will give and one of them will be gone next year. Total toss up IMO. The AD is nuts and Masiello already tried to leave once.

Look not having a degree is not the worse thing but can understand him trying to hide it.But honesty is always better in the long run However, since they found out and kept him on which was fine he should t be unable to do better if he can. Giving a person a chance does not make you own him
 
He is fortunate to have that job, given the lack of a degree and being less than honest about it until he got caught. And he would leave in a hot second if a big job came up.

And that makes him different than any other mid major coach?

Something will give and one of them will be gone next year. Total toss up IMO. The AD is nuts and Masiello already tried to leave once.

I'm presuming that your comment about what makes him different than any other mid major coach has to do with the comment that he would leave in a second if a big job came up, and not about falsifying his qualifications.

Fraschilla got fired at SJU not because of his harsh treatment of players but because he not only contemplated walking but actually had discussions with another school. Nothing wrong with that either except that no employer really wants someone who is actively always looking for something better. Throw in the fact that Masiello had gotten the job based on a falsification of a basic requirement of the job, and there's a guy who perhaps cannot be trusted a little more than most , separating him from the pack of mid-major guys who would jump for the right opportunity.

Masiello has done a great job at Manhattan, and even with an extension will likely leave the school before the term of that extension was over. Contract extensions bind the school to the coach with a financial obligation, not so much the other way around. To an extent, by not offering him an extension right now, it may actually cause some schools not to pursue him now because it creates some doubts about Masiello.

There are two bottom lines here - Winning always trumps everything else in college basketball, and he's proven he can win. The other bottom line is whether honesty is important anymore, and someone who deliberately falsifies his resume, puts an indelible stain on his own integrity. Since winning is paramount, and discretions by Pitino, Calipari, and others keep their stock high because they win, in the long run Mas will be fine.
 
He is fortunate to have that job, given the lack of a degree and being less than honest about it until he got caught. And he would leave in a hot second if a big job came up.

And that makes him different than any other mid major coach?

Something will give and one of them will be gone next year. Total toss up IMO. The AD is nuts and Masiello already tried to leave once.

I'm presuming that your comment about what makes him different than any other mid major coach has to do with the comment that he would leave in a second if a big job came up, and not about falsifying his qualifications.

Fraschilla got fired at SJU not because of his harsh treatment of players but because he not only contemplated walking but actually had discussions with another school. Nothing wrong with that either except that no employer really wants someone who is actively always looking for something better. Throw in the fact that Masiello had gotten the job based on a falsification of a basic requirement of the job, and there's a guy who perhaps cannot be trusted a little more than most , separating him from the pack of mid-major guys who would jump for the right opportunity.

Masiello has done a great job at Manhattan, and even with an extension will likely leave the school before the term of that extension was over. Contract extensions bind the school to the coach with a financial obligation, not so much the other way around. To an extent, by not offering him an extension right now, it may actually cause some schools not to pursue him now because it creates some doubts about Masiello.

There are two bottom lines here - Winning always trumps everything else in college basketball, and he's proven he can win. The other bottom line is whether honesty is important anymore, and someone who deliberately falsifies his resume, puts an indelible stain on his own integrity. Since winning is paramount, and discretions by Pitino, Calipari, and others keep their stock high because they win, in the long run Mas will be fine.

Yes I was referring to him leaving for a bigger job.

Also no extension IMO doesn't make doubt for others. It makes it easier for him to leave with no buyouts. But also makes his job difficult since players want to see lengthy contract when committing. And it could make it tougher for Manhattan to find a coach they want if they see how they treat what they have. It is a coaching fraternity.
 
I might not be crazy about the guy but manhattan should give him an extension because they aren't going to get a better proven coach for what their budget it and they need to be able to recruit

If he leaves for a better job so be it
 
He is fortunate to have that job, given the lack of a degree and being less than honest about it until he got caught. And he would leave in a hot second if a big job came up.

And that makes him different than any other mid major coach?

Something will give and one of them will be gone next year. Total toss up IMO. The AD is nuts and Masiello already tried to leave once.

I'm presuming that your comment about what makes him different than any other mid major coach has to do with the comment that he would leave in a second if a big job came up, and not about falsifying his qualifications.

Fraschilla got fired at SJU not because of his harsh treatment of players but because he not only contemplated walking but actually had discussions with another school. Nothing wrong with that either except that no employer really wants someone who is actively always looking for something better. Throw in the fact that Masiello had gotten the job based on a falsification of a basic requirement of the job, and there's a guy who perhaps cannot be trusted a little more than most , separating him from the pack of mid-major guys who would jump for the right opportunity.

Masiello has done a great job at Manhattan, and even with an extension will likely leave the school before the term of that extension was over. Contract extensions bind the school to the coach with a financial obligation, not so much the other way around. To an extent, by not offering him an extension right now, it may actually cause some schools not to pursue him now because it creates some doubts about Masiello.

There are two bottom lines here - Winning always trumps everything else in college basketball, and he's proven he can win. The other bottom line is whether honesty is important anymore, and someone who deliberately falsifies his resume, puts an indelible stain on his own integrity. Since winning is paramount, and discretions by Pitino, Calipari, and others keep their stock high because they win, in the long run Mas will be fine.

Yes I was referring to him leaving for a bigger job.

Also no extension IMO doesn't make doubt for others. It makes it easier for him to leave with no buyouts. But also makes his job difficult since players want to see lengthy contract when committing. And it could make it tougher for Manhattan to find a coach they want if they see how they treat what they have. It is a coaching fraternity.

All reasonably good points. I'm not sure that a mid-major contracts have poison pills (i.e. buyouts), and the bottom line is that by retaining him they presumably moved past the degree thing. He's moved them to the top of the MAAC from the bottom, and his tenure there in any case won't be long. Perhaps the AD, knowing this, is already looking to see if there is a suitable replacement for him for next season, but considering the success Mas has had would be better off riding it as long as he's there.
 
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the "Local Power Ranking" poll at the end of the article. I understand that at this point we're anybody's best guess because we're comprised of a completely untested roster, but 8th? Behind NJIT? Seriously? That's the "best guess"? Who puts together this nonsense?

Here's how the NYPost has it:

1. Iona
Record: 0-0
Up next: Sunday (2:30 p.m.) at Valparaiso

2. Columbia
Record: 1-0
Up next: Monday (9 p.m.) at Kansas State

3. Hofstra
Record: 1-0
Up next: Monday (7 p.m.) vs. Molloy

4. Stony Brook
Record: 0-0
Up next: Saturday (7 p.m.) vs. Merchant Marine

5. Seton Hall
Record: 1-0
Up next: Sunday (1:30 p.m.) vs. Wagner

6. Manhattan
Record: 0-0
Up next: Monday (10 p.m.) at Saint Mary’s (Ca.)

7. NJIT
Record: 0-0
Up next: Saturday (8 p.m.) at Kentucky

8. St. John’s
Record: 1-0
Up next: Monday (7 p.m.) vs. UMBC

9. LIU Brooklyn
Record: 0-0
Up next: Monday (7:30 p.m.) at Loyola (Md.)

10. St. Francis Brooklyn
Record: 0-0
Up next: Saturday (2 p.m.) at Boston College
 
Masiello was also at Lousville when that fiasco happened. I would rank the top four: 1. Stony Brook 2. Hofstra 3. SJU 4. Iona
 
Masiello was also at Lousville when that fiasco happened. I would rank the top four: 1. Stony Brook 2. Hofstra 3. SJU 4. Iona

Iona would wax us

You want to quibble, then maybe swap NJIT and us. Otherwise, this is going to be a painful year.
 
Masiello was also at Lousville when that fiasco happened. I would rank the top four: 1. Stony Brook 2. Hofstra 3. SJU 4. Iona

Seton Hall is better than us as well. Maybe even significantly better.
 
@NYPost_Brazille: Not that this should surprise anyone, but boy can Steve Masiello coach. Beat quality G. Mason team with five scholarship players.
 
Masiello was also at Lousville when that fiasco happened. I would rank the top four: 1. Stony Brook 2. Hofstra 3. SJU 4. Iona

Iona would wax us

You want to quibble, then maybe swap NJIT and us. Otherwise, this is going to be a painful year.

Nice posts above; haven't seen the word "quibble" in a long time; yes this year might be painful and we all know there will be losses; however with this staff and the hearts the kids have displayed, it would not surprise me that by January we are a whole different and better team.

All the best!
 
@NYPost_Brazille: Not that this should surprise anyone, but boy can Steve Masiello coach. Beat quality G. Mason team with five scholarship players.

Has enough time passed that degree-gate will be brushed aside by a potential new employer? I'd love to see him at a place like Dayton if Miller moves on.
 
Masiello by a TKO.

Don't know much about Manhattan, but I have to assume men's basketball is the crown jewel of the athletic department. Combine that with a very good young coach, and it wasn't a battle the AD was likely to win.
 
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