Major fb conferences to split from NCAA?

The idea that this is being "discussed" is a joke. It is inevitable; there is a ton of money out there and the football conferences want it all!! That's why schools were scrambling like idiots to get into the fb conferences. What it means to bb is not as clear as the incestousness of March Madness with a field picked from only the 80-100 (or so) major football schools may lose it's appeal very quickly. Universities, like just about everything else, are all and only about the money.
 
the bottom line is the bottom line. college presidents aren't necessarily brighter than anyone else. my guess is most don't care about sports. they're professional fundraisers. if someone comes along and throws shovelfuls of cash at them, they'll grovel at their feet.

my guess is somewhere down the road, the ncaa basketball tournament will have the cache of the nit. the bcs teams will have their own national championship and...as was in the distant past...the debate will be which tournament champion is better.
 
the bottom line is the bottom line. college presidents aren't necessarily brighter than anyone else. my guess is most don't care about sports. they're professional fundraisers. if someone comes along and throws shovelfuls of cash at them, they'll grovel at their feet.

my guess is somewhere down the road, the ncaa basketball tournament will have the cache of the nit. the bcs teams will have their own national championship and...as was in the distant past...the debate will be which tournament champion is better.
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Newsflash Newsie: the major football schools split from the NCAA a long time ago. The NCAA never controlled the infinite bowl system, the TV revenue and anything football save for academic eligibility.
As for the BCS schools having the "cache" of NCAA top tier schools, think again. What national TV interests are served by starting your BCS Basketball with a final 8? Who would the cindarellas be? Auburn, Clemson, Washington, Northwestern? Who would give a crap, especially if they have just televised their own conference championships on their own conference TV networks?
The wild card? The NFL! The NCAA could lift all restrictions on draft eligibility and you could see major football recruits signing with non-BCS schools for a year. The NCAA and the NFL could sign an agreement and effectively kill the BCS cache of talent.
As for basketball, the BCS could be conceived as a developmental NBA league....with as little national interest save for students and alumni.
It would be fitting that BCS football and greed, in the end, would kill the BCS schools.
 
the bottom line is the bottom line. college presidents aren't necessarily brighter than anyone else. my guess is most don't care about sports. they're professional fundraisers. if someone comes along and throws shovelfuls of cash at them, they'll grovel at their feet.

my guess is somewhere down the road, the ncaa basketball tournament will have the cache of the nit. the bcs teams will have their own national championship and...as was in the distant past...the debate will be which tournament champion is better.
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Newsflash Newsie: the major football schools split from the NCAA a long time ago. The NCAA never controlled the infinite bowl system, the TV revenue and anything football save for academic eligibility.
As for the BCS schools having the "cache" of NCAA top tier schools, think again. What national TV interests are served by starting your BCS Basketball with a final 8? Who would the cindarellas be? Auburn, Clemson, Washington, Northwestern? Who would give a crap, especially if they have just televised their own conference championships on their own conference TV networks?
The wild card? The NFL! The NCAA could lift all restrictions on draft eligibility and you could see major football recruits signing with non-BCS schools for a year. The NCAA and the NFL could sign an agreement and effectively kill the BCS cache of talent.
As for basketball, the BCS could be conceived as a developmental NBA league....with as little national interest save for students and alumni.
It would be fitting that BCS football and greed, in the end, would kill the BCS schools.
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Interseting and an angle I had not thought of........
 
the bottom line is the bottom line. college presidents aren't necessarily brighter than anyone else. my guess is most don't care about sports. they're professional fundraisers. if someone comes along and throws shovelfuls of cash at them, they'll grovel at their feet.

my guess is somewhere down the road, the ncaa basketball tournament will have the cache of the nit. the bcs teams will have their own national championship and...as was in the distant past...the debate will be which tournament champion is better.
Click to expand...

Newsflash Newsie: the major football schools split from the NCAA a long time ago. The NCAA never controlled the infinite bowl system, the TV revenue and anything football save for academic eligibility.
As for the BCS schools having the "cache" of NCAA top tier schools, think again. What national TV interests are served by starting your BCS Basketball with a final 8? Who would the cindarellas be? Auburn, Clemson, Washington, Northwestern? Who would give a crap, especially if they have just televised their own conference championships on their own conference TV networks?
The wild card? The NFL! The NCAA could lift all restrictions on draft eligibility and you could see major football recruits signing with non-BCS schools for a year. The NCAA and the NFL could sign an agreement and effectively kill the BCS cache of talent.
As for basketball, the BCS could be conceived as a developmental NBA league....with as little national interest save for students and alumni.
It would be fitting that BCS football and greed, in the end, would kill the BCS schools.
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Interseting and an angle I had not thought of........
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what angle is that? there are about 50 angles here and none are connected. maybe i missed something.

we all know the pesky ncaa has to come up with some token academic standards it foists on the bcs schools. the rest, like us, either play along with a different set of standards or get along. some of the bcs and ncaa money garnered from amateur basketball tournament pays for the non revenue sports and a huge chunk pays the bloated expenses of the ncaa itself. that's why the ncaa looks the other way in the case of blatant violations...or in the words of hall of famer jerry tarkanian...the ncaa is so mad at ohio state, it's going to give cleveland state two years probation.

personally, i see the bcs "threat" as a ploy to keep the scam going. it wants the ncaa to make restrictions even looser. if not, a 64 team bcs basketball tournament makes sense. the bracket sheets passed around the offices would be about the same. the results might be more predictable with fewer mid to low major "cinderellas. remember, it's the bracket sheets that make the tournament a national happening. the only other interest is among the alums and current students. that's not nearly enough. an ncaa tournament would have the non bcs leftovers...also with bracket sheets. maybe with bigger payouts. the people here who like the new big east as much as the old will like this new set up as well. just as we won a few nit's...we could finally win a few ncaa's. who cares if the competition isn't as good. or maybe it will be...and as i pointed out, we'll have the same debate as we did in the 1940s as to who's the true national champion.

as far as draft eligibility...i thought it was an nfl restriction to effectively allow up and coming players to participate in quality contests, thus improving the talent base while taking some of the mystery out of draft day. help me with this. i'm missing the conspiracy.
 
Newsie,
I personally think that fans would have a huge conniption fit if the BCS schools and rest of the basketball playing schools tried to bifurcate into two major championships. As stated above, the tournament(s) would really lose its luster.

I'm not saying something won't happen on the football side - because that is, and continues to be a disaster. People are not content with it. However, the NCAAs Bbball tournament seem to make many happy. I can't seem them fundamentally messing with it. Perhaps revenue dollars get shifted around, but i'm skeptical that they would eliminate the VCUs and the like of the world from competing with the the BCS schools at year end. That's what makes it special. The head honchos know that. Why kill the golden goose?

Quick edit: Newsie - I re-read you and I see that you say that it's a ploy to keep it going as is. That very much could be it.. all just negotiations.
 
About a year ago, when the BE defections to the ACC were first announced, Coach K was gloating about how creating super-power conferences like the "new" ACC would ultimately free them from the NCAA. As problematic as the NCAA has been, it's sad to see not just conferences being destroyed but the very foundation of college sports starting to crack. Greed, greed, greed.
 
Newsie,
You are correct in that collegiate athletics with respect to football and basketball has been a scam by member schools for many years.

When you say "as far as draft eligibility...i thought it was an nfl restriction to effectively allow up and coming players to participate in quality contests, thus improving the talent base while taking some of the mystery out of draft day. help me with this. i'm missing the conspiracy.", I stand corrected in that I meant to say the NFL could lift all age restrictions in cooperation with the NCAA. The BCS schools would NEVER want such elimination of age or years out of high school, which still stands at 3 years out of HS. That would demisih the football schools' talent base.
I am not going to pretend to be a labor or sports attorney but I think the NFL has the most restrictive draft eligibilty requirement as it pertains to "years out of high school" than any major sport. THAT is part of the conspiracy.
Colleges (BCS football schools) make millions from TV deals featuring these "up-and-comming" players. It is one of the main reasons these scummy football schools can take on the NCAA and perpetuate the monopolistic scam.
These players, who like many basketball, baseball and soccer players just out of high school, are physically mature enough and possess the talent to play professionally.
In the past, the NBA used the colleges well to train and develop future talent while not incurring the costs for such development. The NFL, using the 3 year rule, basically uses the schools to train future players in a farm system. But because of the physical demands of football and the possibility of concussions and other injuries, talented football players are unfairly discriminated against by the NFL, and must toil for a phony free tuition scam while the BCS schools have created TV networks and bowl monopolies on their backs.
I agree that all restrictions should be lifted, like soccer and baseball.
Collusion? There seems to be plenty to go around in the world of football, both on the professional and collegiate level.
 
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