Loyalty in College Football

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Watching college football today, I realized that Jalen Hurts (Alabama), and Kelly Bryant (Clemson), who led their teams to the College Football Championship last year have been replaced. We are not talking about quarterbacks who did not perform. A lot of times, we, myself included, question the commitment of young men to a program. When college athletes look at situations like this, who can blame them for thinking that they are just bodies brought in to enrich the University and coaches. Saban, 7.5 million and Sweeney 6.75 million are only concerned about enhancing their reputations and pockets. I know that Saban did not tell Hurts and his family that if you lead us to "2" National Championship games, I am still going to recruit over you.

In a bit of irony, Bryant informed Clemson that he was leaving the program this week. Today the quarterback who replaced him was hurt and Clemson is losing to Syracuse at halftime. This is what shattered dreams is all about. You help a program win by giving your best, and then are replaced because your coach wants to win bigger.

Loyalty is a "Two way Street". These young men were used until someone better came along. Both of these young men probably had aspirations of playing professionally and now must start all over again.
 
Thought it was an ill-advised decision by Clemson, and why I took Syracuse and the 24 points, and I hate having to root for that cesspool.
 
[quote="panther2" post=296587]Watching college football today, I realized that Jalen Hurts (Alabama), and Kelly Bryant (Clemson), who led their teams to the College Football Championship last year have been replaced. We are not talking about quarterbacks who did not perform. A lot of times, we, myself included, question the commitment of young men to a program. When college athletes look at situations like this, who can blame them for thinking that they are just bodies brought in to enrich the University and coaches. Saban, 7.5 million and Sweeney 6.75 million are only concerned about enhancing their reputations and pockets. I know that Saban did not tell Hurts and his family that if you lead us to "2" National Championship games, I am still going to recruit over you.

In a bit of irony, Bryant informed Clemson that he was leaving the program this week. Today the quarterback who replaced him was hurt and Clemson is losing to Syracuse at halftime. This is what shattered dreams is all about. You help a program win by giving your best, and then are replaced because your coach wants to win bigger.

Loyalty is a "Two way Street". These young men were used until someone better came along. Both of these young men probably had aspirations of playing professionally and now must start all over again.[/quote]

I see what you're trying to say, panther. But when you're in athletics, particulary high-level athletics, then there will always be someone capable of taking one's spot. I don't think either Hurts or Bryant were "used."

IMO, both Hurts and Bryant were mere game managers. That's not to say they aren't decent QB's, which I think they are, but more so their teams in general were so good that they just could "okay" and come away with wins. Alabama, IMO, was about to lose to Georgia if Tua wasn't inserted into the game. Bryant also played a poor game versus 'Bama in the playoffs. If anything, Dabo Swinney showed some loyalty by sticking with Bryant throughout that particular game.

They both received athletic scholarships to play "big time" football, but I never was too enthralled with either player. Hurts has stuck around to compete while Bryant tucked his tail and bailed. Both players need to get better, and frankly, while they both may have had pro aspirations (they still can play professionally, but not in the NFL.... maybe, in the CFL); they aren't NFL-level QBs (especially, not Hurts).


Let me ask you this: If Eugene Lawrence was our point guard for two or three seasons, and we then brought in either Erick Barkley or Omar Cook the following season..... Would you be fine with sticking with the former for loyalty purposes or the latter two?
 
[quote="Las Vegan" post=296589]Thought it was an ill-advised decision by Clemson, and why I took Syracuse and the 24 points, and I hate having to root for that cesspool.[/quote]

I don't care who was playing for Clemson today.... I would've easily took those points.
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=296591][quote="Las Vegan" post=296589]Thought it was an ill-advised decision by Clemson, and why I took Syracuse and the 24 points, and I hate having to root for that cesspool.[/quote]

I don't care who was playing for Clemson today.... I would've easily took those points.[/quote]

Agreed, but for some reason, most of the sharps (professional bettors) were favoring Clemson.
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=296590][quote="panther2" post=296587]Watching college football today, I realized that Jalen Hurts (Alabama), and Kelly Bryant (Clemson), who led their teams to the College Football Championship last year have been replaced. We are not talking about quarterbacks who did not perform. A lot of times, we, myself included, question the commitment of young men to a program. When college athletes look at situations like this, who can blame them for thinking that they are just bodies brought in to enrich the University and coaches. Saban, 7.5 million and Sweeney 6.75 million are only concerned about enhancing their reputations and pockets. I know that Saban did not tell Hurts and his family that if you lead us to "2" National Championship games, I am still going to recruit over you.

In a bit of irony, Bryant informed Clemson that he was leaving the program this week. Today the quarterback who replaced him was hurt and Clemson is losing to Syracuse at halftime. This is what shattered dreams is all about. You help a program win by giving your best, and then are replaced because your coach wants to win bigger.

Loyalty is a "Two way Street". These young men were used until someone better came along. Both of these young men probably had aspirations of playing professionally and now must start all over again.[/quote]

I see what you're trying to say, panther. But when you're in athletics, particulary high-level athletics, then there will always be someone capable of taking one's spot. I don't think either Hurts or Bryant were "used."

IMO, both Hurts and Bryant were mere game managers. That's not to say they aren't decent QB's, which I think they are, but more so their teams in general were so good that they just could "okay" and come away with wins. Alabama, IMO, was about to lose to Georgia if Tua wasn't inserted into the game. Bryant also played a poor game versus 'Bama in the playoffs. If anything, Dabo Swinney showed some loyalty by sticking with Bryant throughout that particular game.

They both received athletic scholarships to play "big time" football, but I never was too enthralled with either player. Hurts has stuck around to compete while Bryant tucked his tail and bailed. Both players need to get better, and frankly, while they both may have had pro aspirations (they still can play professionally, but not in the NFL.... maybe, in the CFL); they aren't NFL-level QBs (especially, not Hurts).


Let me ask you this: If Eugene Lawrence was our point guard for two or three seasons, and we then brought in either Erick Barkley or Omar Cook the following season..... Would you be fine with sticking with the former for loyalty purposes or the latter two?[/quote]


Poor comparison MJ, we did not win with Lawrence.
 
[quote="panther2" post=296593][quote="MJDinkins" post=296590][quote="panther2" post=296587]Watching college football today, I realized that Jalen Hurts (Alabama), and Kelly Bryant (Clemson), who led their teams to the College Football Championship last year have been replaced. We are not talking about quarterbacks who did not perform. A lot of times, we, myself included, question the commitment of young men to a program. When college athletes look at situations like this, who can blame them for thinking that they are just bodies brought in to enrich the University and coaches. Saban, 7.5 million and Sweeney 6.75 million are only concerned about enhancing their reputations and pockets. I know that Saban did not tell Hurts and his family that if you lead us to "2" National Championship games, I am still going to recruit over you.

In a bit of irony, Bryant informed Clemson that he was leaving the program this week. Today the quarterback who replaced him was hurt and Clemson is losing to Syracuse at halftime. This is what shattered dreams is all about. You help a program win by giving your best, and then are replaced because your coach wants to win bigger.

Loyalty is a "Two way Street". These young men were used until someone better came along. Both of these young men probably had aspirations of playing professionally and now must start all over again.[/quote]

I see what you're trying to say, panther. But when you're in athletics, particulary high-level athletics, then there will always be someone capable of taking one's spot. I don't think either Hurts or Bryant were "used."

IMO, both Hurts and Bryant were mere game managers. That's not to say they aren't decent QB's, which I think they are, but more so their teams in general were so good that they just could "okay" and come away with wins. Alabama, IMO, was about to lose to Georgia if Tua wasn't inserted into the game. Bryant also played a poor game versus 'Bama in the playoffs. If anything, Dabo Swinney showed some loyalty by sticking with Bryant throughout that particular game.

They both received athletic scholarships to play "big time" football, but I never was too enthralled with either player. Hurts has stuck around to compete while Bryant tucked his tail and bailed. Both players need to get better, and frankly, while they both may have had pro aspirations (they still can play professionally, but not in the NFL.... maybe, in the CFL); they aren't NFL-level QBs (especially, not Hurts).


Let me ask you this: If Eugene Lawrence was our point guard for two or three seasons, and we then brought in either Erick Barkley or Omar Cook the following season..... Would you be fine with sticking with the former for loyalty purposes or the latter two?[/quote]


Poor comparison MJ, we did not win with Lawrence.[/quote]

No, we didn't win with Lawrence, and it may be a poor comparison. But it still bears "loyalty."

Trent Dilfer was replaced the following season after he won a Super Bowl with the Ravens. He could've easily been resigned, but I sensed the Ravens felt they won in spite of him. In some ways, that is how I felt about Hurts and Bryant, respectively. I thought their team's won in spite of what they were doing. Both offenses, although both Alabama and Clemson could win many games with those two, but those offenses were still being limited to what they could do.

They can more so open up the offense with the current QBs at the helm.
 
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Another poor comparison, Difler was getting paid. College kids commit to a coach because of what he tells them during recruiting. Think about this, Hurts replaced an upper classman during his freshman year and that player ended up transferring also.

College coaches are like young men chasing girls. They will say whatever it takes to get some and then move on to the next one.
 
[quote="panther2" post=296596]Another poor comparison, Difler was getting paid. College kids commit to a coach because of what he tells them during recruiting. Think about this, Hurts replaced an upper classman during his freshman year and that player ended up transferring also.

College coaches are like young men chasing girls. They will say whatever it takes to get some and then move on to the next one.[/quote]

Whether, he was getting paid or not.... The Ravens didn't stick with him. They didn't show him any loyalty after winning a Super Bowl.

I know some coaches will say anything to garner a commitment from a player, but I don't have a clue what Swinney or Saban says to get players to commit. I doubt either one has to pitch too hard at this juncture.

My thing is get better at your craft and compete (even more so at the schools who has top-level players coming in yearly).
 
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I feel bad for Bryant. He waited two years for that job and was tossed aside because he didn’t play exceptional. On the other hand, Alabama clearly made the smarter choice with Tua. It’s one thing to have a close gap (Lawrence and Bryant), it’s another thing to have to have this wide of a gap between Hurts and Tua and not change. Tua is literally 10x the QB hurts will ever be and I’m being generous. Good move on Bama part.
 
[quote="panther2" post=296596]Another poor comparison, Difler was getting paid. College kids commit to a coach because of what he tells them during recruiting. Think about this, Hurts replaced an upper classman during his freshman year and that player ended up transferring also.

College coaches are like young men chasing girls. They will say whatever it takes to get some and then move on to the next one.[/quote]
Hurts didn't replace an upper classmen during his freshmen year he won the job off the bench in the seasons first game a 52-3 blowout of USC and he beat out redshirt freshmen Blake Barnett. Jalen went 26-2 but at the end of his first 2 seasons he did not have good games against the top competition of Auburn, SEC championship game and playoffs. He was just not very good in the passing game. Players go to Bama to win natty's so would it be fair to just continue to play him over Tua who is a MUCH better QB and gives Bama a much better chance to beat the other good teams Bama will have to face? Jalen got to full seasons and Saban has been very loyal to him by continuing to give him significant playing time this season and Jalen is happy at Bama which is why he hasn't transferred nor asked to only play in four games so he can take advantage of the new redshirt rule and transfer with 2 years of eligibility remaining. he gets to fight for another NC and if he decides to transfer for his last year of eligibility Bama nation will be forever grateful for his contributions and which him well. Players sign with powerhouses knowing full well they will have a lot of comp for playing time and many sight just that fact for joining those programs. Jalen has improved his play this year due in part by being pushed by Tua. Panther you contribute a lot on here basketball wise and I appreciate that but I just happen to follow Bama religiously (see please my screen name :) )so no ill will intended.
 
[quote="panther2" post=296587]Watching college football today, I realized that Jalen Hurts (Alabama), and Kelly Bryant (Clemson), who led their teams to the College Football Championship last year have been replaced. We are not talking about quarterbacks who did not perform. A lot of times, we, myself included, question the commitment of young men to a program. When college athletes look at situations like this, who can blame them for thinking that they are just bodies brought in to enrich the University and coaches. Saban, 7.5 million and Sweeney 6.75 million are only concerned about enhancing their reputations and pockets. I know that Saban did not tell Hurts and his family that if you lead us to "2" National Championship games, I am still going to recruit over you.

In a bit of irony, Bryant informed Clemson that he was leaving the program this week. Today the quarterback who replaced him was hurt and Clemson is losing to Syracuse at halftime. This is what shattered dreams is all about. You help a program win by giving your best, and then are replaced because your coach wants to win bigger.

Loyalty is a "Two way Street". These young men were used until someone better came along. Both of these young men probably had aspirations of playing professionally and now must start all over again.[/quote]

By College Championships, I guess you are talking about the playoffs as Clemson did not play in the National Championship game last year, Georgia did.


Tua brought his team back and lead them to victory in the Championship game. That alone means he should get a shot at the starting job this year, which he did and won. Tua won the job fair and square and is by far the better QB. You can tell the difference in the offense when he is in. Bryant sat and waited behind a much better quarterback (DeShaun Watson) at Clemson. He was the starter this year but the coach was not happy with the way the offense moved and he made a change. ND did the same thing last week when they benched Winbush and started Book. Navy dd the same thing hen they put in Perry.

Collge football teams need more than one QB and they recruit multiple ones and these kids know that. How many of them leave because they don't win the job? The landscape is full of transfers. Heck two other QB's left Clemson because Bryant won the starter job.

Hurt stayed, and he will play. If Bryant had stayed, he probably would have played (without his replcaement gettin hurt). I have seen High School upperclassmen getting replaced by younger players because those players were better.
 
[quote="simplyred" post=296606]So, Looie was right for sticking with Moses over Mark Jackson.[/quote]

And how many people were screaming for the Jayson Williams to replace upperclassman Marco Baldi before that change was made.

Ron Plair (and I believe on other underclassman) was put in the starting lineup as a sophomore over an upperclassman on the elite eight team that lost to Penn and two years later Plair as a senior loss his starting spot to David Russell, a sophomore.
 
LB for Tenn St suffered a serious head injury in game vs Vandy and is undergoing emergency surgery. Prayers.
 
What a horrible play call down 1 on the Ohio State 45 on 4th and 5 by Penn State with 1:22 to go. A read option? Let the QB have the option to pass or run, to create which he has been doing all night.
 
To me loyalty in college football is always rooting against Ohio St. because Woody Hayes ran on the field and hit an opposing player (I think Clemson).
 
[quote="SJU85" post=296621]What a horrible play call down 1 on the Ohio State 45 on 4th and 5 by Penn State with 1:22 to go. A read option? Let the QB have the option to pass or run, to create which he has been doing all night.[/quote]

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1. I was among the announced 110,889 at Beaver Stadium last evening. The 4th and 5 call was a head scratcher. I agree with SJU85 that the play was likely a read option which McSorley misread but that is part of the game. McSorley is one tough kid who does not back away. McSorley is having a great career proving the experts wrong who ranked him as a 3* recruit coming out of high school.

2. I agree with The Honorable Panther that the D1 athletes in revenue sports (mens/ woman's basketball and football) get used and discarded. There is $oooo much money being paid to the schools in NCAA basketball and football that the athletes should receive a reasonable stipend equivalent to if the athlete worked 20 hours at a student like employment (20 x $15) as W.A.M. ("walking around money") fas compensation for their services. Before people point out that the athlete receives "free" tuition let me tell you about an acquaintance who played football for The Ohio State who would tell you that he never once in his collegiate career ever make out a course offering form because his the Athletic Department completed his academic course schedule on his behalf to facilitate his eligibility and to comply with his practice/ weight lifting schedule. At a minimum a D1 scholarship athlete who has been on a D1 roster for 2 seasons should be entitled to continue to attend the school tuition free to complete their undergrad degree.
 
[quote="fuchsia" post=296638]To me loyalty in college football is always rooting against Ohio St. because Woody Hayes ran on the field and hit an opposing player (I think Clemson).[/quote]

It was against Clemson. I remember it well because the Clemson kid that got clocked shares the same last name with me although we are not related.
 
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