Looking Ahead to Next Year

ghostzapper

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2023 $upporter
Not that I am giving up on the rest of the season totally, but recent events negatively impacting most feelings of optimism for the remainder of 2023/2024.

With that said and comments made about flaws with our current roster it seemed like a time to look ahead to see what our team could look like for the 2024-2025 season.

With the six departing seniors, we have 11 players who are still connected to next year's team (see below). Of course some may leave, some may redshirt and others may be encouraged to find other programs but regardless there will need to be several additions through the Portal or other means at the very least. Not having seen any of the three incoming Freshman play and also seeing the bulk of this year's minutes spread out among the six departing seniors it is hard to project what we will look like based on the returning players and new additions. Given Pitino's rant about our current Roster construction, I thought this might be a good time to start the speculation of what we could look like for 2024/2025.



Glenn Taylor Jr.F6' 6"205 lbsSeniorLas Vegas (Arizona Compass Prep)
Drissa TraoreF6' 8"220 lbsJuniorNew York (Long Island Lutheran HS)
Simeon WilcherG6' 4"180 lbsSophomorePlainfield
Cruz DavisG6' 3"175 lbsSophomorePlano (Huntington Prep)
Khaman MakerC7'1"FreshmanNevada
Jaiden GloverG6'6"FreshmanNew Jersey
Brady DunlapF6' 7"190 lbsSophomoreNewhall
Zuby EjioforF6' 9"235 lbsJuniorGarland (Garland HS)
Sadiku Ibine AyoF6' 6"205 lbsJuniorAsabi-Kumasi (Our Saviour Lutheran HS)
RJ Luis Jr.G-F6' 7"210 lbsJuniorMiami (Mt. Zion Prep School)
Eleftherios LiotopoulosG6' 5"FreshmanGreece
 
Who-ever is on the roster come... July? August... whenever transfer season ends... I would hope one of our beat reporters / Podcast hosts that have access to Rick- ask him:
-Are these players athletic enough to compete in the BE?
-Are they laterally quick?
-Can these guys play your style?
-Are they tough?

Hold him accountable prior to the season.
 
Looking ahead to next year's roster...I think the staff will be taking "toughness" into much more serious consideration for the portal.

Read the quotes from the UCONN guys in the Hurley article. They said everything you'd expect from Pitino guys.
 
I think you can become tougher, but its usually over a course of years, not weeks or months.
Sorry but I can see none of you flower children were ever in the military with drill sargents or, God forbid, Parris Island for basic training.
You were required to become tougher in 6-8 weeks followed by AIT in your military specialty (MOS) which lasted around five weeks.
Those that were not mentally tough after those weeks were boloed out of the service or left voluntarily with a general, usual medical, discharge.

Now, for those who will say "how can you compare 18-22 year olds in the military to basketball athletes the same age, open your mind to what these young people are being prepared and trained to do. If a player is looking for a father figure to be nice to him and give him his participation trophy, is that a player you want on your team?
I saw young men cry after being dressed down by drill sargents or refuse to go into the tear gas bunker, and chose to be disciplined instead. Would you want that guy on the battlefield with you?

Rick Pitino upset some of you because he mentioned our shitty facilities, which he said are being improved for practice purposes and inferred that Carnesecca arena is basically a high school gym dump. He wants games played in arenas like at Louisville because St. John's has a metropolitan following. He's right on all accounts.
For the Creighton game I'm attending with over 30 friends, none of whom went to St. John's. They are mostly retired Jewish professionals from Long Island who are basketball junkies and who up in Brooklyn and Queens where they considered SJ the city team.

As for the player critiques, do any of you disagree with his assessments?
Do any of you think that he has not addressed them personally and in practices on how to compensate for those deficiencies? After 5 games where those players failed to buckle down and follow the coaches tutelage, he had enough.
Coaches like coach K, Knight, Boeheim, and some others regularly called out their team's deficiencies after losses, as rare as they were. It's a motivational tool to try and penetratre the mindsets of players that live in their own heads. It is a major problem with athletes these days where they think they can demand more from the coach than vice-versa. They literally mimic what professional players do to their coaches in the NBA. The NBA game has become an individual all-star game where the designated stars control the team.

Sorry, but after a few of the recent melt downs in the 4th quarter of 6 of the last 8 games, it is the players that have something to prove to their coach.

This is a Jekyll and Hyde team. You have a team that can sweep Villanova and beat Butler and Xavier and you have a team that allows inferior teams like Michigan and Boston College to beat them in NYC.
 
Sorry but I can see none of you flower children were ever in the military with drill sargents or, God forbid, Parris Island for basic training.
You were required to become tougher in 6-8 weeks followed by AIT in your military specialty (MOS) which lasted around five weeks.
Those that were not mentally tough after those weeks were boloed out of the service or left voluntarily with a general, usual medical, discharge.

Now, for those who will say "how can you compare 18-22 year olds in the military to basketball athletes the same age, open your mind to what these young people are being prepared and trained to do. If a player is looking for a father figure to be nice to him and give him his participation trophy, is that a player you want on your team?
I saw young men cry after being dressed down by drill sargents or refuse to go into the tear gas bunker, and chose to be disciplined instead. Would you want that guy on the battlefield with you?

Rick Pitino upset some of you because he mentioned our shitty facilities, which he said are being improved for practice purposes and inferred that Carnesecca arena is basically a high school gym dump. He wants games played in arenas like at Louisville because St. John's has a metropolitan following. He's right on all accounts.
For the Creighton game I'm attending with over 30 friends, none of whom went to St. John's. They are mostly retired Jewish professionals from Long Island who are basketball junkies and who up in Brooklyn and Queens where they considered SJ the city team.

As for the player critiques, do any of you disagree with his assessments?
Do any of you think that he has not addressed them personally and in practices on how to compensate for those deficiencies? After 5 games where those players failed to buckle down and follow the coaches tutelage, he had enough.
Coaches like coach K, Knight, Boeheim, and some others regularly called out their team's deficiencies after losses, as rare as they were. It's a motivational tool to try and penetratre the mindsets of players that live in their own heads. It is a major problem with athletes these days where they think they can demand more from the coach than vice-versa. They literally mimic what professional players do to their coaches in the NBA. The NBA game has become an individual all-star game where the designated stars control the team.

Sorry, but after a few of the recent melt downs in the 4th quarter of 6 of the last 8 games, it is the players that have something to prove to their coach.

This is a Jekyll and Hyde team. You have a team that can sweep Villanova and beat Butler and Xavier and you have a team that allows inferior teams like Michigan and Boston College to beat them in NYC.
I’m only responding because we’ve talked about it a bunch the last few days…my only issue with Pitino was naming names to THE PRESS/MEDIA.
I literally have no problem with anything else he’s said to the press/media. I’m 99% sure he’s ripping them to their faces, need be. Like I said to another poster, if you need to name names in the press to motivate them, you’ve got the wrong dudes. FTR, no matter what I think, Pitino is the guy. He’s the guy we need.
 
Shitty facilities have been like that for years. Did I miss the plans for new facilities? Pitino has been coach for nearly a year.
 
Sorry but I can see none of you flower children were ever in the military with drill sargents or, God forbid, Parris Island for basic training.
You were required to become tougher in 6-8 weeks followed by AIT in your military specialty (MOS) which lasted around five weeks.
Those that were not mentally tough after those weeks were boloed out of the service or left voluntarily with a general, usual medical, discharge.

Now, for those who will say "how can you compare 18-22 year olds in the military to basketball athletes the same age, open your mind to what these young people are being prepared and trained to do. If a player is looking for a father figure to be nice to him and give him his participation trophy, is that a player you want on your team?
I saw young men cry after being dressed down by drill sargents or refuse to go into the tear gas bunker, and chose to be disciplined instead. Would you want that guy on the battlefield with you?

Rick Pitino upset some of you because he mentioned our shitty facilities, which he said are being improved for practice purposes and inferred that Carnesecca arena is basically a high school gym dump. He wants games played in arenas like at Louisville because St. John's has a metropolitan following. He's right on all accounts.
For the Creighton game I'm attending with over 30 friends, none of whom went to St. John's. They are mostly retired Jewish professionals from Long Island who are basketball junkies and who up in Brooklyn and Queens where they considered SJ the city team.

As for the player critiques, do any of you disagree with his assessments?
Do any of you think that he has not addressed them personally and in practices on how to compensate for those deficiencies? After 5 games where those players failed to buckle down and follow the coaches tutelage, he had enough.
Coaches like coach K, Knight, Boeheim, and some others regularly called out their team's deficiencies after losses, as rare as they were. It's a motivational tool to try and penetratre the mindsets of players that live in their own heads. It is a major problem with athletes these days where they think they can demand more from the coach than vice-versa. They literally mimic what professional players do to their coaches in the NBA. The NBA game has become an individual all-star game where the designated stars control the team.

Sorry, but after a few of the recent melt downs in the 4th quarter of 6 of the last 8 games, it is the players that have something to prove to their coach.

This is a Jekyll and Hyde team. You have a team that can sweep Villanova and beat Butler and Xavier and you have a team that allows inferior teams like Michigan and Boston College to beat them in NYC.

Rocket, whether you like it, or I like it, or Pitino likes it or not - these kids were not raised in the world that older folks were. It takes a different skill set to manage the current reality.

I'm not saying I agree with it. But to succeed and remain relevant in any endeavor you have to understand the time and place you are in and the people you have to work with, and find the tools you need to handle that.

Lots of yesterday's tools - and again I am not saying they weren't valuable - just don't work today.

Pitino may have to find another way - he is no longer dealing with European pros or mid major kids who counted themselves lucky to be playing for The Great Pitino.
 
Rocket, whether you like it, or I like it, or Pitino likes it or not - these kids were not raised in the world that older folks were. It takes a different skill set to manage the current reality.

I'm not saying I agree with it. But to succeed and remain relevant in any endeavor you have to understand the time and place you are in and the people you have to work with, and find the tools you need to handle that.

Lots of yesterday's tools - and again I am not saying they weren't valuable - just don't work today.

Pitino may have to find another way - he is no longer dealing with European pros or mid major kids who counted themselves lucky to be playing for The Great Pitino.
I respect your thoughts on this matter.
Please read the interview someone posted a little while ago with Pitino.
He addresses everything I said. He discussed what he is preparing these young men for in, which for the most part, is Europe. Players there are vagabonds constantly on the move if they have up and down games. Most players, over 99 % , will never play in the NBA where the player's union controls things. Thus, your assessment that he is no longer dealing with Euro player's leagues or mid-majors, which is a completely bogus classification now with free agency, is myopic.

What exact skills do you think Pitino is lacking, other than his blunt post game assessments?

You, and few others, seem to think that he could have used a more team-oriented criticism. Our center "position" has been too slow and inconsistent. Golly Molly, could Soriano think he was talking about Zuby??
If he said our forwards lack athleticism, could Ledlum think he was referring to RJ Luis?

You and others are being very naive about the easy "old days" that you think Pitino is living in. You needed special recruiting skills backed by $ you couldn't mention.
Lou Carnesecca never had those skills that's for sure.

The elite players today have attorneys negotiating NIL deals which are not public but worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. They have dark agents shopping them around during the active season.

What new special skill do you know of that Pitino needs to deal with the above ?

In closing, earlier in the season, Pitino critiqued Ledlum and his play. Do you remember Ledlum's public response?

Look it up.

This is what Pitino is dealing with and some of you are worried about the player's feelings. If this was a political discussion, it would pretty easy to assign party affiliation'. 😀😃😄😁
 
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