Lets see how the NCAA spins facts regarding UNC

[otis]

In October 2000, the NCAA Committee on Infractions handed Minnesota’s men’s basketball program a one-year postseason ban, reduced scholarships and vacated a Final Four appearance because a secretary for longtime coach Clem Haskins had written papers (with his knowledge) for at least 18 players over a five-year period. In its report, the committee described the violations as “among the most serious academic fraud violations to come before it in the past 20 years. The violations were significant, widespread and intentional. More than that, their nature — academic fraud — undermined the bedrock foundation of a university and the operation of its intercollegiate athletics program.”

On Wednesday, Kenneth L. Wainstein released the results of an independent investigation into academic fraud at the University of North Carolina so massive in scope that the word serious hardly does it justice. If three rogue employees and 18 cheating basketball players over a five-year period at Minnesota merited those strong words, what will the NCAA eventually say about a bogus-class scheme in Chapel Hill that Wainstein found to involve more than 3,100 students — 47.4 percent of them athletes — over 18 years?

Wainstein describes a culture in which academic-athletic counselors for the football and basketball teams knowingly steered borderline students to Afro-American studies office manager Debbie Crowder’s sham classes for the primary purpose of keeping players eligible.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...al-wainstein-report-investigation-ncaa-102214

 

[beast of the east]

Isn't it about time to end the charade of student athlete in the big money para-professional sports of basketball and football. At a highly selective school with very stiff academic requirements, how else are they going to field highly competitive sports teams? The pool of gifted athletes who are also gifted students is so small that the UVA's, Georgetowns, Notre Dames, UNCs, Ivy's, BCs, and virtually all of the top 40 schools would have to drop their D1 status if they held athletes to the same admission criteria as other students. At least the Ivy's appear to have a semblance of academic requirement, even if the admission requirements are relaxed for student-athletes. IS it such a surprise that a UNC can attract the top athletes to a highly competitive school and not help athletes along the easiest path possible. The only surprise here is that the courses are no-show, but then again, with internet based course catalogs at many schools, how will the NCAA deal with that?

UNC got caught, but many D1 athletes at many big sports schools are academically unqualified to handle the average coursework that college requires. So you take an academically unqualified athlete, and then saddle him with the rigors of a major sport, and how the heck does he get by without a lot of careful maneuvering?

 

[gman]

I knew a guy that played linebacker at ohio state. The kid was dumb as a brick. In order to try and keep him qualified he had a summer semester where he took basket weaving, ball ro dancing and a course on the rules of sports. It's a total hoax.

On the other end of the spectrum my brother play Ivy League lacrosse and those kids took serious hard course loads.

I think it comes down to the kid and some of these kids just shouldn't be in college.

 

[logen]

I knew a guy that played linebacker at ohio state. The kid was dumb as a brick. In order to try and keep him qualified he had a summer semester where he took basket weaving, ball ro dancing and a course on the rules of sports. It's a total hoax.

On the other end of the spectrum my brother play Ivy League lacrosse and those kids took serious hard course loads.

I think it comes down to the kid and some of these kids just shouldn't be in college.

The scenario you describe is the norm rather than the exception. I know/have known many D1 athletes from the early 70's on and the majority got virtually nothing academically from their time spent on campus. Not all for sure, but the majority.

 

[Andrew]

I knew a guy that played linebacker at ohio state. The kid was dumb as a brick. In order to try and keep him qualified he had a summer semester where he took basket weaving, ball ro dancing and a course on the rules of sports. It's a total hoax.

On the other end of the spectrum my brother play Ivy League lacrosse and those kids took serious hard course loads.

I think it comes down to the kid and some of these kids just shouldn't be in college.

The scenario you describe is the norm rather than the exception. I know/have known many D1 athletes from the early 70's on and the majority got virtually nothing academically from their time spent on campus. Not all for sure, but the majority.

This is my experience as well.

 

[Section9]

The Dookies must be loving this.

 

[logen]

The Dookies must be loving this.

Duke has had its own issues that the NCAA looked the other way on through the years, in fairness, as have most nationally prominent programs. The difference is NC was overtly blatant, making almost no attempt to even hide the situation. The fact of the matter is , the NCAA does not want to know where their cash cow schools are involved, just the way it is.

 

[logen]

As I have stated many times I am about as far from computer savvy as one can get in this day and age. But, if anyone is interested there is an excellent article on the NC situation on nj.com/rutgersfootball. The connection is that the reporter writing the article covers Rutgers but is an NC graduate. Article gives concrete examples of just how widespread and overt the situation at NC was (or is.)

 

[tom in salem]

As I have stated many times I am about as far from computer savvy as one can get in this day and age. But, if anyone is interested there is an excellent article on the NC situation on nj.com/rutgersfootball. The connection is that the reporter writing the article covers Rutgers but is an NC graduate. Article gives concrete examples of just how widespread and overt the situation at NC was (or is.)

http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...ege_programs_--_including_rutgers_politi.html

 

[logen]

As I have stated many times I am about as far from computer savvy as one can get in this day and age. But, if anyone is interested there is an excellent article on the NC situation on nj.com/rutgersfootball. The connection is that the reporter writing the article covers Rutgers but is an NC graduate. Article gives concrete examples of just how widespread and overt the situation at NC was (or is.)

http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...ege_programs_--_including_rutgers_politi.html

Thanks Tom

 

[Section9]

The Dookies must be loving this.

Duke has had its own issues that the NCAA looked the other way on through the years, in fairness, as have most nationally prominent programs. The difference is NC was overtly blatant, making almost no attempt to even hide the situation. The fact of the matter is , the NCAA does not want to know where their cash cow schools are involved, just the way it is.

understood that dook is far from perfect, just sayin' they gotta like this.

 

[McGarry2]

So Stevie boy would have exposure be the penalty,weak.Might be time for schools with a sense of morality( exclusing those in the big 5 ) to consider leaving the NCAA.

 

[mario]

The Dookies must be loving this.

Duke has had its own issues that the NCAA looked the other way on through the years, in fairness, as have most nationally prominent programs. The difference is NC was overtly blatant, making almost no attempt to even hide the situation. The fact of the matter is , the NCAA does not want to know where their cash cow schools are involved, just the way it is.

What issues are you referring to?

 

[logen]

The Dookies must be loving this.

Duke has had its own issues that the NCAA looked the other way on through the years, in fairness, as have most nationally prominent programs. The difference is NC was overtly blatant, making almost no attempt to even hide the situation. The fact of the matter is , the NCAA does not want to know where their cash cow schools are involved, just the way it is.

What issues are you referring to?

They are very well documented. My point was not to point at Duke but rather that college athletics is by and large a corrupt enterprise; just my opinion. I live the games but hate everything else about it.

 

[logen]

The Dookies must be loving this.

Duke has had its own issues that the NCAA looked the other way on through the years, in fairness, as have most nationally prominent programs. The difference is NC was overtly blatant, making almost no attempt to even hide the situation. The fact of the matter is , the NCAA does not want to know where their cash cow schools are involved, just the way it is.

understood that dook is far from perfect, just sayin' they gotta like this.

Agreed and I did not mean to jump on Duke or your post. Meant it as a general comment on the state of college athletics.

 

[TRabinowitz]

Before bashing UNC, let's remember that SJU admitted a student into our school that was illiterate until his junior year in HS and maintained eligibility through almost the entirety of his college career. Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

 

[beast of the east]

Before bashing UNC, let's remember that SJU admitted a student into our school that was illiterate until his junior year in HS and maintained eligibility through almost the entirety of his college career. Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Read my post. The entire system stinks, and it is based on a goal to make billions of dollars for D1 schools, help immensely with school branding and admissions applications, and provide a "free" stage for the select few with a real chance at the pros to hone and show their skills. It's really a farce, and for the most part fans buy into rooting for athletes that are not qualified to be students simply because they wear a jersey of the school we attended or root for. We are all guilty to an extent, because none of us would get excited about the starting 5 for Regis High School becoming roster players for UNC. It's all about money, period

 

[Class of 72]

Before bashing UNC, let's remember that SJU admitted a student into our school that was illiterate until his junior year in HS and maintained eligibility through almost the entirety of his college career. Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

You must be confusing SJ with Kentucky or Syracuse. Those schools have had multiple players in that category and not just one! For those of you that enjoy bashing SJU academics, you should question how colleges ranked in the top 50 academically keep all those football players eligible for 4 years which was the case at UNC. Syracuse is notorious for bending admissions for its athletes. Ho w many athletes at Duke are in the top 10% of their high school class as is the norm for Duke freshmen? Nice try Rabinowitz.

 

[logen]

Before bashing UNC, let's remember that SJU admitted a student into our school that was illiterate until his junior year in HS and maintained eligibility through almost the entirety of his college career. Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

I am sorry but as Beast said, the whole system reeks and almost everyone associated with D1 athletics SHOULD be bashed, including fanatics like us who at the end of the day support this reality.

 

[panther2]

Before bashing UNC, let's remember that SJU admitted a student into our school that was illiterate until his junior year in HS and maintained eligibility through almost the entirety of his college career. Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

It is a totally different situation. The young man in question struggled because of an undiagnosed learning disability. During his junior year of high school, he approached a teacher and told her what was wrong and the difficulty he was having. He did this because he wanted help and he wanted to learn. He finally got the individual attention he needed and was able to graduate from high school.
He was admitted to St Johns but did not play basketball his first year as he focused on his studies. He eventually played and graduated in May, 2011. While he was in school, he took the same classes other students with his major took. Due to a severe knee injury, his basketball career never took off.
At the present time, he is gainfully employed as a Counselor in a Social Service program. For you or anyone to try to belittle what this young man has accomplished is a damn shame.
One last thing since you seem to be misinformed, there is a difference between being illiterate and having a learning disability.