Less than the Sum of its Parts

redmanwest

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A team is usually more than the sum of its parts. With SJU, it seems that we have parts and pieces, but the whole seems to be less than those parts. In looking at our team, it seems to me that we have some very good, key pieces that could more than make up a good team. Consider:

Point Guard. Between the combo of Jordan backed up by Branch, that should be a very good combo that could be competitive with most points in the league. I think Branch's main problem is that the coaches have not set a defined role for him with regular minutes and rotation expectations. He has more talent than he has been able to show. I think Jordan will be fine, and hopefully it will be here.

Shooting Guard. Harrison is one of the premier shooting guards in the conference iof not the nation, and backed by Phil Greene and, yes spotted by Hooper, should be more than enough to make a good SG rotation. Here, Harrison needs to know when he has it or when he's off. He has shown me enough to know that he can be effective going to the hoop etc. and does not need to rely on long bombs if he is cold.

Power forward/Center. The rotation of Obepka, Sanchez and GG is probably where the team is most deficient talent-wise. CO will, I think develop over the next few seasons to be very good defensively and rebounding -wise, but will probably always be a more limited offensive presence. But for now, he is pretty one dimensional. Sanchez is I would say, over rated. While talented and able to a lot of things fairly well, he really does not seem able to put it together on a consistent basis. GG is in my mind someone who should play sparingly and when foul trouble afflicts the other bigs.

Small Forwards. The duo of Sampson and Pointer should be adequate. I put Sampson here because while he should play bigger, and rebound better and more, he is more suited, despite his mediocre shooting, as a SF. He really does not have the muscle nor shown the consistent inclination to play with the other big PFs in the conference on defense. Pointer can bring in a new dimension, or more defensive force, to spell Sampson.
On paper, this group should be better than most, but they have not gelled. I can only attribute that to a certain degree of over-expectation, and more so to lack of adequate development and coaching.

It is hard to rationalize that these guys don't perform better, but there is a definite lack of cohesiveness, and regular or rational sub patterns. I think to some extent the guys are not really sure what their roles are, and in some respects are put in scenarios that they are not well suited. I have to believe that as the season progresses, not to mention next season, that these players can't have some success, but that might be as a result of the fact that they will be seniors for the most part, and like Lavin's first team (Norm's guys) are able to be successful just because they have experience. It should not have taken this group that long to show what they are caable of, but that seems like what we are destined to.
 
I laughed out loud while reading "Harrison is one of the premier shooting guards in the nation." The kid has improved his attitude this year, but he's still a poor basketball player.
 
I laughed out loud while reading "Harrison is one of the premier shooting guards in the nation." The kid has improved his attitude this year, but he's still a poor basketball player.

Harrison is a great player at the college level, you think we aren't playing well now? I'd love to see where we would be without Harrison.
 
Considering this is the gang that couldn't shoot straight, we can't shoot like garbage AND get outmanned on the boards. I'd abandon the three guard lineup, which almost certainly guarantees a rebounding deficit.

I'd NOW go with:

Sanchez
Sampson
Obekpa
Harrison
Jordan

key subs: Pointer, for any forward
GG, only if 2 front liners are in foul trouble
Branch - to back up Jordan
Greene - to back up Harrison
situational: Hooper, only if he proves after almost half a season that he is a ready for primetime player.

The ball MUST belong to Jordan. He reminds me of Pearl Washington (who was nicknamed after Earl the Pearl Monroe) for his ability to penetrate at will. Washington's schoolyard moniker was Pac Man, because he could zip in and out of the lane without ever getting caught. Jordan has that knack, and the more he plays, the better he will get. Time for everyone to move aside and let Jordan take over.

Harrison: Being the Johnnies "Walt Frazier" as part of a marquee backcourt is no slight at all. Let Jordan zig and zag, and get Harrison the ball when he's open. We could have our own "Rolls Royce" is we just come to the conclusion that most firepower will come from these two.

Sampson: Thunderous dunks, deadly within 16 feet, where did it all go? He's got to know he is one of the big three scorers, and his playing time has got to reflect that. Having a three headed scorer of Jordan-Harrison-Sampson puts us far ahead of most teams.

Sanchez: Is he a 24 year old freshmen, or a 24 year old super senior? To me he looks more like a freshmen, but I've seen enough to wonder where he would be if this was his fourth varsity season. Nice touch from 3, can put the ball on the floor and go to the hoop. Excellent court vision and passer for 6'9. All he needs is to stay out of foul trouble, and play like his life depended on it.

Obekpa: Showed early signs of offensive improvement but that was against the like of Mary Louis Academy. He is still a shot blocking machine, and we need three big guys up front in order to rebound. Don't feed him for a week, and soak the basketballs in chopmeat, and maybe he will be hungry enough to rebound like his ability seems to indicate he can.

Playing the other guys has just caused confusion. Greene doesn't bring what Harrison brings, and Branch is just in a funk. Backup point is important, and that's what Branch is right now. IF the team rights itself both will have their days in the sun. Pointer is undersized at forward, and lacks the game to be a guard. As a super sub, he can hold down the fort if any of the big guys get into foul trouble.

That's it.
 
Considering this is the gang that couldn't shoot straight, we can't shoot like garbage AND get outmanned on the boards. I'd abandon the three guard lineup, which almost certainly guarantees a rebounding deficit.

I'd NOW go with:

Sanchez
Sampson
Obekpa
Harrison
Jordan

key subs: Pointer, for any forward
GG, only if 2 front liners are in foul trouble
Branch - to back up Jordan
Greene - to back up Harrison
situational: Hooper, only if he proves after almost half a season that he is a ready for primetime player.

The ball MUST belong to Jordan. He reminds me of Pearl Washington (who was nicknamed after Earl the Pearl Monroe) for his ability to penetrate at will. Washington's schoolyard moniker was Pac Man, because he could zip in and out of the lane without ever getting caught. Jordan has that knack, and the more he plays, the better he will get. Time for everyone to move aside and let Jordan take over.

Harrison: Being the Johnnies "Walt Frazier" as part of a marquee backcourt is no slight at all. Let Jordan zig and zag, and get Harrison the ball when he's open. We could have our own "Rolls Royce" is we just come to the conclusion that most firepower will come from these two.

Sampson: Thunderous dunks, deadly within 16 feet, where did it all go? He's got to know he is one of the big three scorers, and his playing time has got to reflect that. Having a three headed scorer of Jordan-Harrison-Sampson puts us far ahead of most teams.

Sanchez: Is he a 24 year old freshmen, or a 24 year old super senior? To me he looks more like a freshmen, but I've seen enough to wonder where he would be if this was his fourth varsity season. Nice touch from 3, can put the ball on the floor and go to the hoop. Excellent court vision and passer for 6'9. All he needs is to stay out of foul trouble, and play like his life depended on it.

Obekpa: Showed early signs of offensive improvement but that was against the like of Mary Louis Academy. He is still a shot blocking machine, and we need three big guys up front in order to rebound. Don't feed him for a week, and soak the basketballs in chopmeat, and maybe he will be hungry enough to rebound like his ability seems to indicate he can.

Playing the other guys has just caused confusion. Greene doesn't bring what Harrison brings, and Branch is just in a funk. Backup point is important, and that's what Branch is right now. IF the team rights itself both will have their days in the sun. Pointer is undersized at forward, and lacks the game to be a guard. As a super sub, he can hold down the fort if any of the big guys get into foul trouble.

That's it.

Funny you mention ML academy. Last week caught some of the girls varsity game against CTK at King. ML wasn't that bad but still lost by about 40 to CTK. As for pearl vs. jordan, pearl was much stockier and stronger, and kept the ball low to the ground on his drives which made him real tough to stop.. Jordan lankier and taller. Would be thrilled is Jordan gave us anything close to what Pearl gave cuse.
 
Considering this is the gang that couldn't shoot straight, we can't shoot like garbage AND get outmanned on the boards. I'd abandon the three guard lineup, which almost certainly guarantees a rebounding deficit.

I'd NOW go with:

Sanchez
Sampson
Obekpa
Harrison
Jordan

key subs: Pointer, for any forward
GG, only if 2 front liners are in foul trouble
Branch - to back up Jordan
Greene - to back up Harrison
situational: Hooper, only if he proves after almost half a season that he is a ready for primetime player.

The ball MUST belong to Jordan. He reminds me of Pearl Washington (who was nicknamed after Earl the Pearl Monroe) for his ability to penetrate at will. Washington's schoolyard moniker was Pac Man, because he could zip in and out of the lane without ever getting caught. Jordan has that knack, and the more he plays, the better he will get. Time for everyone to move aside and let Jordan take over.

Harrison: Being the Johnnies "Walt Frazier" as part of a marquee backcourt is no slight at all. Let Jordan zig and zag, and get Harrison the ball when he's open. We could have our own "Rolls Royce" is we just come to the conclusion that most firepower will come from these two.

Sampson: Thunderous dunks, deadly within 16 feet, where did it all go? He's got to know he is one of the big three scorers, and his playing time has got to reflect that. Having a three headed scorer of Jordan-Harrison-Sampson puts us far ahead of most teams.

Sanchez: Is he a 24 year old freshmen, or a 24 year old super senior? To me he looks more like a freshmen, but I've seen enough to wonder where he would be if this was his fourth varsity season. Nice touch from 3, can put the ball on the floor and go to the hoop. Excellent court vision and passer for 6'9. All he needs is to stay out of foul trouble, and play like his life depended on it.

Obekpa: Showed early signs of offensive improvement but that was against the like of Mary Louis Academy. He is still a shot blocking machine, and we need three big guys up front in order to rebound. Don't feed him for a week, and soak the basketballs in chopmeat, and maybe he will be hungry enough to rebound like his ability seems to indicate he can.

Playing the other guys has just caused confusion. Greene doesn't bring what Harrison brings, and Branch is just in a funk. Backup point is important, and that's what Branch is right now. IF the team rights itself both will have their days in the sun. Pointer is undersized at forward, and lacks the game to be a guard. As a super sub, he can hold down the fort if any of the big guys get into foul trouble.

That's it.

Actually didn't need to specify "girls" varsity game :)
 
Considering this is the gang that couldn't shoot straight, we can't shoot like garbage AND get outmanned on the boards. I'd abandon the three guard lineup, which almost certainly guarantees a rebounding deficit.

I'd NOW go with:

Sanchez
Sampson
Obekpa
Harrison
Jordan

key subs: Pointer, for any forward
GG, only if 2 front liners are in foul trouble
Branch - to back up Jordan
Greene - to back up Harrison
situational: Hooper, only if he proves after almost half a season that he is a ready for primetime player.

The ball MUST belong to Jordan. He reminds me of Pearl Washington (who was nicknamed after Earl the Pearl Monroe) for his ability to penetrate at will. Washington's schoolyard moniker was Pac Man, because he could zip in and out of the lane without ever getting caught. Jordan has that knack, and the more he plays, the better he will get. Time for everyone to move aside and let Jordan take over.

Harrison: Being the Johnnies "Walt Frazier" as part of a marquee backcourt is no slight at all. Let Jordan zig and zag, and get Harrison the ball when he's open. We could have our own "Rolls Royce" is we just come to the conclusion that most firepower will come from these two.

Sampson: Thunderous dunks, deadly within 16 feet, where did it all go? He's got to know he is one of the big three scorers, and his playing time has got to reflect that. Having a three headed scorer of Jordan-Harrison-Sampson puts us far ahead of most teams.

Sanchez: Is he a 24 year old freshmen, or a 24 year old super senior? To me he looks more like a freshmen, but I've seen enough to wonder where he would be if this was his fourth varsity season. Nice touch from 3, can put the ball on the floor and go to the hoop. Excellent court vision and passer for 6'9. All he needs is to stay out of foul trouble, and play like his life depended on it.

Obekpa: Showed early signs of offensive improvement but that was against the like of Mary Louis Academy. He is still a shot blocking machine, and we need three big guys up front in order to rebound. Don't feed him for a week, and soak the basketballs in chopmeat, and maybe he will be hungry enough to rebound like his ability seems to indicate he can.

Playing the other guys has just caused confusion. Greene doesn't bring what Harrison brings, and Branch is just in a funk. Backup point is important, and that's what Branch is right now. IF the team rights itself both will have their days in the sun. Pointer is undersized at forward, and lacks the game to be a guard. As a super sub, he can hold down the fort if any of the big guys get into foul trouble.

That's it.

Funny you mention ML academy. Last week caught some of the girls varsity game against CTK at King. ML wasn't that bad but still lost by about 40 to CTK. As for pearl vs. jordan, pearl was much stockier and stronger, and kept the ball low to the ground on his drives which made him real tough to stop.. Jordan lankier and taller. Would be thrilled is Jordan gave us anything close to what Pearl gave cuse.

As long as CTK wasn't just toying with them, losing by 40 isn't such a bad accomplishment.
 
I laughed out loud while reading "Harrison is one of the premier shooting guards in the nation." The kid has improved his attitude this year, but he's still a poor basketball player.

Harrison is a great player at the college level, you think we aren't playing well now? I'd love to see where we would be without Harrison.


Great players don't shoot 39%...at the college level.
 
Harrison is NOT one of the premier shooting guards in the country.. If you want to say he is one of the better scorers in the BE Conference, I will concur immediately. Harrison shoots too low a % to be deemed a great shooter. He can be streaky good or streaky bad and shows both games regularly.

Plus he often shows poor judgment in his shot selection, near the end of close games.CLANK.

Sure he gets to the line a lot but, has a tendency to miss the big free throw in the stretch.. A result of him trying to do too much.. Better the ball be in jordan's HANDS AT CRUNCH TIME. He will get DLO the ball where he can score.

There was 1 play yesterday where Jordan and Sanchez played great 2 man basketball. Jordan fired a bullet pass to him, thru traffic for a dunk. NOT often enough but, great to see.
 
I laughed out loud while reading "Harrison is one of the premier shooting guards in the nation." The kid has improved his attitude this year, but he's still a poor basketball player.

Harrison is a great player at the college level, you think we aren't playing well now? I'd love to see where we would be without Harrison.

without him we would have maybe 2 wins
 
Any team that ever was or ever will be coached by Lavin will be less than the sum of its parts.
Hes good at buying high quality expensive parts, but he doesnt know how to put them together to build a good engine.

Its time to stop with the self deception and get rid of the guy. He will not sign that elite caliber 2015 class we were hoping for now. That was contingent on the team having a good season THIS yr. Not that it would matter, he would squander the talents of any guys he brought in anyway.
 
Any team that ever was or ever will be coached by Lavin will be less than the sum of its parts.
Hes good at buying high quality expensive parts, but he doesnt know how to put them together to build a good engine.

Its time to stop with the self deception and get rid of the guy. He will not sign that elite caliber 2015 class we were hoping for now. That was contingent on the team having a good season THIS yr. Not that it would matter, he would squander the talents of any guys he brought in anyway.

Lavin isnt going anywhere, they arent going to eat his salary. It is called business
 
Team is disappointing us because the bigs are disappointing. Obekpa and Sampson did not improve. Sanchez and Gift are not good. Throw Pointer in as a front court guy and more disappointment. Basketball is a big mans game. How can we be good? Columbia's bigs looked better then our guys. Can our guys get better? I think yes but they're not there yet. This team is as good as their parts. They are not going to get better because because the staff coaches better. Basketball players must want it for themselves and their teammates. Putting all the blame on Steve is BS.
 
Team is disappointing us because the bigs are disappointing. Obekpa and Sampson did not improve. Sanchez and Gift are not good. Throw Pointer in as a front court guy and more disappointment. Basketball is a big mans game. How can we be good? Columbia's bigs looked better then our guys. Can our guys get better? I think yes but they're not there yet. This team is as good as their parts. They are not going to get better because because the staff coaches better. Basketball players must want it for themselves and their teammates. Putting all the blame on Steve is BS.

So, you are saying these 19-year-old kids who show up to Nova or Cuse just figure it out for themselves?
 
Team is disappointing us because the bigs are disappointing. Obekpa and Sampson did not improve. Sanchez and Gift are not good. Throw Pointer in as a front court guy and more disappointment. Basketball is a big mans game. How can we be good? Columbia's bigs looked better then our guys. Can our guys get better? I think yes but they're not there yet. This team is as good as their parts. They are not going to get better because because the staff coaches better. Basketball players must want it for themselves and their teammates. Putting all the blame on Steve is BS.

So, you are saying these 19-year-old kids who show up to Nova or Cuse just figure it out for themselves?

Sanchez will be 26 in May :)
 
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