Lavin's Interview After Loss

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JackofVirginia

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Have we heard this before? Lavin on SNY, it's a growing process. We're the youngest team in St.John's history.We are the youngest team in the country. It's College 101, introduction to basketball. We'll grow and learn from this.
Speaking of comments regarding the Redmen, analyst Pearl, ex Tennesee coach, on ESPN says, "St.John's can't shoot jump shots and can't make foul shots."
That's College 101?
 
Pearl should have added, "I got fired for multiple NCAA violations" including reporting a player's drug abuse problem as a bad back, and a cookout with HS prospects at his house (and lying aobut it until photos were produced). The guy is another POS who shouldn't coach again who now has something to say about winning college basketball. I'll take Lavin, thanks.
 
College 101 and he's not the guy to teach it.

If he thinks he can leave the team in the hands of Darrick Martin to run the practices, he's nuts.

Enough of the constant spin from him. The team looks poorly prepared. Very easy to cast the blame on youth instead of looking in the mirror.
 
I believe many of us drank the Kool Aid early about Lavin, UCLA success, Hollywood,etc. And, coming after Roberts, Jarvis we wanted the Messiah to lead us to the Promised Land.

What we are seeing is a team of relatively good athletes, all close in size and skill sets, no big man and no PG.

Plus, Lavin must have read their press clippings in HS, thought they were all star players and said here we go!

He should have seen that they can't shoot(Harrison is a scorer,not shooter), rebound or play defense and are by BE standards undersized. The BE is merciless if all you have is helter-skelter type players and we do!

Lavin, out of coaching for 8 years, may have lost perspective about everyday coaching and what the role is all about. Being a ESPN analyst isn't the same thing.

Lastly, we all were in denial about Lavin's reputation as a poor x's and o's strategist and didn't believe the UCLA FANS about that reputation.. UCLA FANS KNEW SOMETHING WE DIDN'T.

Everybody likes Steve, a great personality, charming, witty, classy but, that doesn't mean he can Coach at this level. And, you have to face facts that what we are seeing on the Court with this team is ugly, ugly basketball with no plan or direction. Losing to the likes of UNC-ASHEVILLE, USF, Murray State, were red flags that many choose to ignore. Our team has been torched by allegedly slow, small guards like Heslip, Doolan, Archidonutato, etc. Why doesn't Lavin get a player or too, who can drill it and set a offense for their skills?

And, with all likelihood, expecting these players to suddenly develop jump shots or BB fundamentals like foul shooting in the next 2 seasons may prove to be fruitless.. Obetpka has a upside since his offensive fundamentals are so low at this point. Defensively he has to learn there is more to the game than blocking shots, like how about blocking out your man?

Lastly, while it's great that Steve travels all over to get players, how about getting some tough hard nosed NYC players who have formed the core of SJU BB for over a 100 years? We could really use a good, old fashioned NYC PG, the likes of Barkley or Mark Jackson, etc.

Right now, this SJU team plays about as ugly a game as Roberts worse team in his 6 years here. And, we knew he wasn't getting the talent necessary. What's Steve's excuse?
 
I believe many of us drank the Kool Aid early about Lavin, UCLA success, Hollywood,etc. And, coming after Roberts, Jarvis we wanted the Messiah to lead us to the Promised Land.

What we are seeing is a team of relatively good athletes, all close in size and skill sets, no big man and no PG.

Plus, Lavin must have read their press clippings in HS, thought they were all star players and said here we go!

He should have seen that they can't shoot(Harrison is a scorer,not shooter), rebound or play defense and are by BE standards undersized. The BE is merciless if all you have is helter-skelter type players and we do!

Lavin, out of coaching for 8 years, may have lost perspective about everyday coaching and what the role is all about. Being a ESPN analyst isn't the same thing.

Lastly, we all were in denial about Lavin's reputation as a poor x's and o's strategist and didn't believe the UCLA FANS about that reputation.. UCLA FANS KNEW SOMETHING WE DIDN'T.

Everybody likes Steve, a great personality, charming, witty, classy but, that doesn't mean he can Coach at this level. And, you have to face facts that what we are seeing on the Court with this team is ugly, ugly basketball with no plan or direction. Losing to the likes of UNC-ASHEVILLE, USF, Murray State, were red flags that many choose to ignore. Our team has been torched by allegedly slow, small guards like Heslip, Doolan, Archidonutato, etc. Why doesn't Lavin get a player or too, who can drill it and set a offense for their skills?

And, with all likelihood, expecting these players to suddenly develop jump shots or BB fundamentals like foul shooting in the next 2 seasons may prove to be fruitless.. Obetpka has a upside since his offensive fundamentals are so low at this point. Defensively he has to learn there is more to the game than blocking shots, like how about blocking out your man?

Lastly, while it's great that Steve travels all over to get players, how about getting some tough hard nosed NYC players who have formed the core of SJU BB for over a 100 years? We could really use a good, old fashioned NYC PG, the likes of Barkley or Mark Jackson, etc.

Right now, this SJU team plays about as ugly a game as Roberts worse team in his 6 years here. And, we knew he wasn't getting the talent necessary. What's Steve's excuse?
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Y'all need to chill out and let this season take its course. Its a bit too early for all this.
 
I believe many of us drank the Kool Aid early about Lavin, UCLA success, Hollywood,etc. And, coming after Roberts, Jarvis we wanted the Messiah to lead us to the Promised Land.

What we are seeing is a team of relatively good athletes, all close in size and skill sets, no big man and no PG.

Plus, Lavin must have read their press clippings in HS, thought they were all star players and said here we go!

He should have seen that they can't shoot(Harrison is a scorer,not shooter), rebound or play defense and are by BE standards undersized. The BE is merciless if all you have is helter-skelter type players and we do!

Lavin, out of coaching for 8 years, may have lost perspective about everyday coaching and what the role is all about. Being a ESPN analyst isn't the same thing.

Lastly, we all were in denial about Lavin's reputation as a poor x's and o's strategist and didn't believe the UCLA FANS about that reputation.. UCLA FANS KNEW SOMETHING WE DIDN'T.

Everybody likes Steve, a great personality, charming, witty, classy but, that doesn't mean he can Coach at this level. And, you have to face facts that what we are seeing on the Court with this team is ugly, ugly basketball with no plan or direction. Losing to the likes of UNC-ASHEVILLE, USF, Murray State, were red flags that many choose to ignore. Our team has been torched by allegedly slow, small guards like Heslip, Doolan, Archidonutato, etc. Why doesn't Lavin get a player or too, who can drill it and set a offense for their skills?

And, with all likelihood, expecting these players to suddenly develop jump shots or BB fundamentals like foul shooting in the next 2 seasons may prove to be fruitless.. Obetpka has a upside since his offensive fundamentals are so low at this point. Defensively he has to learn there is more to the game than blocking shots, like how about blocking out your man?

Lastly, while it's great that Steve travels all over to get players, how about getting some tough hard nosed NYC players who have formed the core of SJU BB for over a 100 years? We could really use a good, old fashioned NYC PG, the likes of Barkley or Mark Jackson, etc.

Right now, this SJU team plays about as ugly a game as Roberts worse team in his 6 years here. And, we knew he wasn't getting the talent necessary. What's Steve's excuse?
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Y'all need to chill out and let this season take its course. Its a bit too early for all this.
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Agree, Gumbinator. Believing the coaching staff is suddenly plumb-dumb.... I'm not buying it.

I'll fault Lavin for, potentially, an unbalanced roster (and, a few, too many low IQ players), but I don't believe he suddenly doesn't know how to coach. Do I think he could use an aide with X's and O's? Yes, I do. But I don't think he doesn't have a clue.

If you think this is about as bad, as any Roberts' team during his 6 year stint, then I'll say that's hyperbole at its best. We need about two more "basketball players," instead of athletes. He also should've played Gift, regardless whether Sanchez was eligible or not. I'm not one who believes Gift would've been the difference between wins and losses, but because we need some girth and leadership on the floor. I thought Gift would've supported both.

I also wish some of you stop living in the past about NYC players. You can get tough, hardnosed players from hundreds of different places in the US. Tell the board about the tough, hardnosed, NYC point guard Lavin should target? I don't wanna hear a bunch of gibberish, either. Elaborate....

The season has certainly been frustrating, but it's obvious several of y'all post solely on emotion.
 
I believe many of us drank the Kool Aid early about Lavin, UCLA success, Hollywood,etc. And, coming after Roberts, Jarvis we wanted the Messiah to lead us to the Promised Land.

What we are seeing is a team of relatively good athletes, all close in size and skill sets, no big man and no PG.

Plus, Lavin must have read their press clippings in HS, thought they were all star players and said here we go!

He should have seen that they can't shoot(Harrison is a scorer,not shooter), rebound or play defense and are by BE standards undersized. The BE is merciless if all you have is helter-skelter type players and we do!

Lavin, out of coaching for 8 years, may have lost perspective about everyday coaching and what the role is all about. Being a ESPN analyst isn't the same thing.

Lastly, we all were in denial about Lavin's reputation as a poor x's and o's strategist and didn't believe the UCLA FANS about that reputation.. UCLA FANS KNEW SOMETHING WE DIDN'T.

Everybody likes Steve, a great personality, charming, witty, classy but, that doesn't mean he can Coach at this level. And, you have to face facts that what we are seeing on the Court with this team is ugly, ugly basketball with no plan or direction. Losing to the likes of UNC-ASHEVILLE, USF, Murray State, were red flags that many choose to ignore. Our team has been torched by allegedly slow, small guards like Heslip, Doolan, Archidonutato, etc. Why doesn't Lavin get a player or too, who can drill it and set a offense for their skills?

And, with all likelihood, expecting these players to suddenly develop jump shots or BB fundamentals like foul shooting in the next 2 seasons may prove to be fruitless.. Obetpka has a upside since his offensive fundamentals are so low at this point. Defensively he has to learn there is more to the game than blocking shots, like how about blocking out your man?

Lastly, while it's great that Steve travels all over to get players, how about getting some tough hard nosed NYC players who have formed the core of SJU BB for over a 100 years? We could really use a good, old fashioned NYC PG, the likes of Barkley or Mark Jackson, etc.

Right now, this SJU team plays about as ugly a game as Roberts worse team in his 6 years here. And, we knew he wasn't getting the talent necessary. What's Steve's excuse?
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Y'all need to chill out and let this season take its course. Its a bit too early for all this.
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Agree, Gumbinator. Believing the coaching staff is suddenly plumb-dumb.... I'm not buying it.

I'll fault Lavin for, potentially, an unbalanced roster (and, a few, too many low IQ players), but I don't believe he suddenly doesn't know how to coach. Do I think he could use an aide with X's and O's? Yes, I do. But I don't think he doesn't have a clue.

If you think this is about as bad, as any Roberts' team during his 6 year stint, then I'll say that's hyperbole at its best. We need about two more "basketball players," instead of athletes. He also should've played Gift, regardless whether Sanchez was eligible or not. I'm not one who believes Gift would've been the difference between wins and losses, but because we need some girth and leadership on the floor. I thought Gift would've supported both.

I also wish some of you stop living in the past about NYC players. You can get tough, hardnosed players from hundreds of different places in the US. Tell the board about the tough, hardnosed, NYC point guard Lavin should target? I don't wanna hear a bunch of gibberish, either. Elaborate....

The season has certainly been frustrating, but it's obvious several of y'all post solely on emotion.
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I'm wondering if he knew this year woudlnt turn out so well, and is saving Gift for an NCAA team? One thing is for sure. He wasn't the second coming (pun intended) but we obviously could have used him.
 
I believe many of us drank the Kool Aid early about Lavin, UCLA success, Hollywood,etc. And, coming after Roberts, Jarvis we wanted the Messiah to lead us to the Promised Land.

What we are seeing is a team of relatively good athletes, all close in size and skill sets, no big man and no PG.

Plus, Lavin must have read their press clippings in HS, thought they were all star players and said here we go!

He should have seen that they can't shoot(Harrison is a scorer,not shooter), rebound or play defense and are by BE standards undersized. The BE is merciless if all you have is helter-skelter type players and we do!

Lavin, out of coaching for 8 years, may have lost perspective about everyday coaching and what the role is all about. Being a ESPN analyst isn't the same thing.

Lastly, we all were in denial about Lavin's reputation as a poor x's and o's strategist and didn't believe the UCLA FANS about that reputation.. UCLA FANS KNEW SOMETHING WE DIDN'T.

Everybody likes Steve, a great personality, charming, witty, classy but, that doesn't mean he can Coach at this level. And, you have to face facts that what we are seeing on the Court with this team is ugly, ugly basketball with no plan or direction. Losing to the likes of UNC-ASHEVILLE, USF, Murray State, were red flags that many choose to ignore. Our team has been torched by allegedly slow, small guards like Heslip, Doolan, Archidonutato, etc. Why doesn't Lavin get a player or too, who can drill it and set a offense for their skills?

And, with all likelihood, expecting these players to suddenly develop jump shots or BB fundamentals like foul shooting in the next 2 seasons may prove to be fruitless.. Obetpka has a upside since his offensive fundamentals are so low at this point. Defensively he has to learn there is more to the game than blocking shots, like how about blocking out your man?

Lastly, while it's great that Steve travels all over to get players, how about getting some tough hard nosed NYC players who have formed the core of SJU BB for over a 100 years? We could really use a good, old fashioned NYC PG, the likes of Barkley or Mark Jackson, etc.

Right now, this SJU team plays about as ugly a game as Roberts worse team in his 6 years here. And, we knew he wasn't getting the talent necessary. What's Steve's excuse?
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Must have something to do with the name Joe........
 
DOES ANYONE REALIZE THAT THIS IS LAVIN'S FIRST---YES, FIRST---YEAR COACHING THE PLAYERS THAT HE RECRUITED?

I know it is his third year as our coach, but come on. The guy was out all last year with cancer. Let's see where we are at the end of this year and next year. Then, if there is no improvement, the calls for his firing may come off as less insane.
 
People here are absurd. It is fact that we are one of the two youngest teams in the country and it makes looking totally prepared every game a lot more difficult. A few more skilled kids would certainly help, but the truth is that this is only Lavin's second real recruiting class. I think we'll get there but peoe don't seem willing to wait the pretty standard 4-5 years to see where the program is at.
 
People keep pointing out that we are not the youngest team in the country but they fail to acknowledge that Texas (the youngest?) and Kentucky (#1 recruiting class) are also struggling.
 
Have we heard this before? Lavin on SNY, it's a growing process. We're the youngest team in St.John's history.We are the youngest team in the country. It's College 101, introduction to basketball. We'll grow and learn from this.
Speaking of comments regarding the Redmen, analyst Pearl, ex Tennesee coach, on ESPN says, "St.John's can't shoot jump shots and can't make foul shots."
That's College 101?
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Jack,
Lavin is correct in that it is growing (learning) process. The team is young. Much of the current situation is just plain bad luck.......something we are very accustomed to. Our weak front line and rebounding woes? We do not have Rico Gathers......Sanchez stuck in limbo ......Harkless playing two seasons worth of.minutes and getting NBA attention. It has taken its toll on this year's results.
Some of it however is not bad luck but poor design. Gift sitting with a pencil-thin front line is still a head scratcher.
Signing players that added little to no value like Jones and Bourgault. That was adding players and using ships for the sake of having them to use....something Roberts would have done. All those decisions were bad decisions and we should have been on the road adding players for 2013 that would have filled real needs.
Yes, a mix of frosh and sophs spells an up and down season for any team. What has upset many of us is the slow development and lack of cohesion of our team with 6 top 100 prep players.
The other disappointment has been the seemingly unpreparedness of our players for most games this year.
Without a more intense defensive game and better ball movement, we will be in for more losses like the GT loss.
I am hoping we do not get embarrassed and lose 3 straight at MSG when we face ND, another departing member.
Let us hope for the best!
 
People keep pointing out that we are not the youngest team in the country but they fail to acknowledge that Texas (the youngest?) and Kentucky (#1 recruiting class) are also struggling.
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Those teams may be losing more than expected but they are not struggling in the same way we are.......other than at Cincy we have been unwatchable as a basketball team. The pressure defense we expected is non-existent. Other than some Harrison scoring outbursts, our offense is more of a "prevent-offense" when we have had players like Greene, Garrett and Obekpa on the floor at the same time. When Karr and D'Lo go cold, we get blowouts. That speaks to the poor composition of the team and not youth.
 
People here are absurd. It is fact that we are one of the two youngest teams in the country and it makes looking totally prepared every game a lot more difficult. A few more skilled kids would certainly help, but the truth is that this is only Lavin's second real recruiting class. I think we'll get there but peoe don't seem willing to wait the pretty standard 4-5 years to see where the program is at.
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Totally agree.

Take a look at Coach K's record for his first 3 years at Duke. I'm NOT saying Coach Lavin is Coach K by any means, but it says a lot when you digest it. And as someone has already mentioned, this is really only year 2 for Coach Lavin.

Coach K:

1980–81 17–13, 6–8
1981–82 10–17, 4–10
1982–83 11–17, 3–11

In other words, if this isn't happening quick enough for you, go root for Duke. This is really only year 2 for Coach Lavin and some of you are acting like he has been a bust. Chill!!!
 
People use Kentucky as an example of how youth is a major factor in being terrible. What they don't seem to realize is that they are 10-5 and will DEFINITELY finish the year ranked...maybe even in the top 15. It's about finding the right talents that compliment each other and gel together, having a plan on offense,locating the open man, and being gritty and relentless. Georgetown is very young and is ranked right now...so what now? Nova has 8 of 13 underclassmen on their roster and they manage to be 11-5 2-1 in the Big East with the ability to play with anyone even scaring Cuse. 6 of 13 for Marquette. Youth is a factor, but it's not everything.
 
Joe, all of those programs you mentioned aren't in the middle of a major rebuilding of a program that was down in the dumps. That's a factor that cannot be ignored. And forget Kentucky, please. That is a whole different beast that you cannot use as any comparison to us.
 
Wnhat hasn't been discussed here is that Lavin is still searching for that combination of players who will lead the team. Two seasons ago, it wasn't until Hardy took over at the point after the season had begun that the team took off. Against Rutgers, Branch (who was not eligible till after the season started) was mostly glued to the bench. Yesterday, while he didn't start, overall he was our best performer, and played 29 minutes to greene's 16. Going forward it looks like Branch will start, and Greene come off the bench. The team may gel with Branch, Harrison, and Sampson providing points, and Pointer and Obepka playing stronger roles defensively.

There's lots of season left. I'd bet any of you there will be some games that surprise the heck out of us in their positive outcomes. Maybe even against ND.
 
People use Kentucky as an example of how youth is a major factor in being terrible. What they don't seem to realize is that they are 10-5 and will DEFINITELY finish the year ranked...maybe even in the top 15. It's about finding the right talents that compliment each other and gel together, having a plan on offense,locating the open man, and being gritty and relentless. Georgetown is very young and is ranked right now...so what now? Nova has 8 of 13 underclassmen on their roster and they manage to be 11-5 2-1 in the Big East with the ability to play with anyone even scaring Cuse. 6 of 13 for Marquette. Youth is a factor, but it's not everything.
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Kentucky may finish the year ranked, considering they do have sufficient talent and play in a crappy conference. I wouldn't also be shocked to see Kentucky struggle and play inconsistent ball in SEC play. But to say, they "definitely" will be ranked, and possibly, a top 15 team goes in line with your usual postings.

Besides, Calipari can pretty much pluck who he wants, which makes his job easier "finding the right talent." Talent certainly makes one job easier, but you can see UK's youth during this first half of the season.

Speaking of G'town and Villanova.... I'm the last one to blame our youth on our play, considering we have several sophomores who played a ton of minutes a season ago. But G'town practically plays one freshmen (D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera), and his minutes have somewhat decreased in conference play. They are led by juniors (Starks and Lubick) and sophomores (Porter, Jr., Whittington, Hopkins, and Trawick). Other than Hopkins, those sophomores played quite a bit, last season. Once again, it's not an excuse for our guys, but just stating facts.

Not to mention, G'town is primarily ranked on what they did in New Jersey versus UCLA (who was ranked at the time they played G'town) and Indiana (who was ranked #1 and taken into OT by the Hoyas), respectively. For the most part, G'town has played some ugly ball since the Barclay Center games. Let's see how they hold up for the remainder of the season.

As, far as 'Nova.... These are the guys logging minutes: Seniors: Yarou and Sutton (who is a redshirt senior); Juniors: Bell and Chennault; Sophomores: Pinkston, Hilliard, and Yacoubou; and, Freshmen: Arcidiacono and Ochefu. No comparison to our roster when it comes to overall experience.

Lastly, Marquette's roster.... These are the guys logging minutes for Marquette: Seniors: Cadougan, Lockett, and Otule (a redshirt senior); Juniors: Blue, Gardener, Jamil Wilson (redshirt junior), and Thomas (he only plays 13 minutes a game, but he's also redshirt junior); Sophomores: Anderson, Mayo, and Derrick Wilson; Freshmen: Practically, their freshmen do not play. Steve Taylor, Jr. logs the most minutes out of any of Marquette's freshmen at 9 minutes per outing. Once again, there is no comparison to our roster versus Marquette's roster when it comes to experience. Absolutely none!

Food for thought.... It's wise to do research when making certain comparisons.

By the way, it's not how you start; it's how you finish. From what I can see, the season is a long way from being over. Once again, let's see how these teams hold up the remainder of the season before claiming they're the goods (Marquette may hold up their end of the bargain).
 
I believe many of us drank the Kool Aid early about Lavin, UCLA success, Hollywood,etc. And, coming after Roberts, Jarvis we wanted the Messiah to lead us to the Promised Land.

What we are seeing is a team of relatively good athletes, all close in size and skill sets, no big man and no PG.

Plus, Lavin must have read their press clippings in HS, thought they were all star players and said here we go!

He should have seen that they can't shoot(Harrison is a scorer,not shooter), rebound or play defense and are by BE standards undersized. The BE is merciless if all you have is helter-skelter type players and we do!

Lavin, out of coaching for 8 years, may have lost perspective about everyday coaching and what the role is all about. Being a ESPN analyst isn't the same thing.

Lastly, we all were in denial about Lavin's reputation as a poor x's and o's strategist and didn't believe the UCLA FANS about that reputation.. UCLA FANS KNEW SOMETHING WE DIDN'T.

Everybody likes Steve, a great personality, charming, witty, classy but, that doesn't mean he can Coach at this level. And, you have to face facts that what we are seeing on the Court with this team is ugly, ugly basketball with no plan or direction. Losing to the likes of UNC-ASHEVILLE, USF, Murray State, were red flags that many choose to ignore. Our team has been torched by allegedly slow, small guards like Heslip, Doolan, Archidonutato, etc. Why doesn't Lavin get a player or too, who can drill it and set a offense for their skills?

And, with all likelihood, expecting these players to suddenly develop jump shots or BB fundamentals like foul shooting in the next 2 seasons may prove to be fruitless.. Obetpka has a upside since his offensive fundamentals are so low at this point. Defensively he has to learn there is more to the game than blocking shots, like how about blocking out your man?

Lastly, while it's great that Steve travels all over to get players, how about getting some tough hard nosed NYC players who have formed the core of SJU BB for over a 100 years? We could really use a good, old fashioned NYC PG, the likes of Barkley or Mark Jackson, etc.

Right now, this SJU team plays about as ugly a game as Roberts worse team in his 6 years here. And, we knew he wasn't getting the talent necessary. What's Steve's excuse?
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You make some valid points. Harrison is more scorer than shooter. He is Marcus Hatten without the athleticism. I still think he is a better shooter than shown, as the lack of a second scorer really forces him to take too many low percentage shots. It is also folly to think you can turn brick layers into marksmen. However, with experience comes knowing your limitations, and taking the shots that fit into the system. A good work ethic helps. D.J. Kennedy and Paris Horne both improved their range greatly from freshman to senior season.

What I will never believe is that coaching counts for all that much. As Looie always says, to look good as a coach, get great players. We don't have enough of them yet. To argue that Lavin should look closer to home makes no sense. Every serious program recruits on a national level. It's nice that Lavin has brought us into the big time. The ultimate lesson is that building a program takes time. Year three isn't time. Five 6 years feels about right. Year one, and Lavin recruits a NBA quality player into a nearly defunct program. He beats out Kansas in year two for Sampson. Harrison, Pointer and Garrett all had major league suitors. We came out of the clouds to get Obekpa from Cincy. Were these major programs all fools for thinking these guys could all play? I doubt it. The problem here is that all were asked to contribute from day one. No time to learn from upper classmen, or from their mistakes for that matter. Yes, we can't shoot. Yes, we can't yet rebound. But Lavin didn't reach those sweet sixteens on his with and charm. He knew what he was doing then, and still does now.
 
If you don't have shooters, it's very difficult to win games, plain and simple. Doesn't matter what kind of athleticism you may have, you need to be able to drain the 3 on a fairly consistent basis. You have to be pretty dominant in all other areas to overcome weak outside shooting. As we all know, this program has never really targeted shooters. Unless you want to count Heath Orvis. :)
 
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