Largest Loss By an AP #1 Ranked Team

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In 1951, St. John's beat #1 ranked (AP) Kentucky by 41 points !!

That is the biggest loss a number #1 ranked team ever suffered.

The subject came up on ESPN a few minutes ago in light of Miami's huge victory over Duke.
 
In 1951, St. John's beat #1 ranked (AP) Kentucky by 41 points !!

That is the biggest loss a number #1 ranked team ever suffered.

The subject came up on ESPN a few minutes ago in light of Miami's huge victory over Duke.

I believe they beat us by 41.

Back then, home teams picked the refs, and Adolph Rupp picked guys he knew would foul out Solly Walker (our first ever black player) in 2 minutes. Or, so the story goes.

But, we got revenge in the NCAA tournament later that season.
 
I remember Mr. Mac (HOF AD) telling me that Solley Walker was not allowed to play in that game. The "Cat House" in Lexington, Kentucky did not accept black men and so our best player could not appear in that game on that floor or stay in the team hotel. Rupp got the message in the 60's when an all black team from Texas won the NCAA's and he grudgingly made some changes for the better. That was just the way it was then. Later, in the NCAA regional final in1951 in Reynold's Coliseum in North Carolina, we played them with a full squad and beat them by 7 to go to the semi-finals. Some justice was done in a way.
Fast forward to 1985 in Lexington where we played in the final four and I can remember observations
from local Ky fans about how fortunate we were to have such fine "white" players on our team. I have always pitied those people who grew up in that environment. Little had changed there over the 34 year period from '51 to '85.
I do think they have caught up to the rest of the world by today but those thoughts do die hard.
 
I remember Mr. Mac (HOF AD) telling me that Solley Walker was not allowed to play in that game. The "Cat House" in Lexington, Kentucky did not accept black men and so our best player could not appear in that game on that floor or stay in the team hotel. Rupp got the message in the 60's when an all black team from Texas won the NCAA's and he grudgingly made some changes for the better. That was just the way it was then. Later, in the NCAA regional final in1951 in Reynold's Coliseum in North Carolina, we played them with a full squad and beat them by 7 to go to the semi-finals. Some justice was done in a way.
Fast forward to 1985 in Lexington where we played in the final four and I can remember observations
from local Ky fans about how fortunate we were to have such fine "white" players on our team. I have always pitied those people who grew up in that environment. Little had changed there over the 34 year period from '51 to '85.
I do think they have caught up to the rest of the world by today but those thoughts do die hard.

Tom Payne, 7 foot 2, was Kentucky's first black player, signed in 1969. After playing one season, he opted for the NBA after becoming the first black all SEC player. He was subjected to incredible hostility, including being burned in effigy on Kentucky's campus. Views of Adolph Rupp all depend on who you speak to. Payne refers to Rupp with admiration, and a a father figure. He has spent nearly his entire adult life in prison. The folowing is a really great interview, which reveals a very bright man who acknowledges the impact of his role in Kentucky basketball on his life.

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/03/27/prison-defines-life-of-tom-payne-kentuckys-first-black-player/
 
I remember Mr. Mac (HOF AD) telling me that Solley Walker was not allowed to play in that game. The "Cat House" in Lexington, Kentucky did not accept black men and so our best player could not appear in that game on that floor or stay in the team hotel. Rupp got the message in the 60's when an all black team from Texas won the NCAA's and he grudgingly made some changes for the better. That was just the way it was then. Later, in the NCAA regional final in1951 in Reynold's Coliseum in North Carolina, we played them with a full squad and beat them by 7 to go to the semi-finals. Some justice was done in a way.
Fast forward to 1985 in Lexington where we played in the final four and I can remember observations
from local Ky fans about how fortunate we were to have such fine "white" players on our team. I have always pitied those people who grew up in that environment. Little had changed there over the 34 year period from '51 to '85.
I do think they have caught up to the rest of the world by today but those thoughts do die hard.

Tom Payne, 7 foot 2, was Kentucky's first black player, signed in 1969. After playing one season, he opted for the NBA after becoming the first black all SEC player. He was subjected to incredible hostility, including being burned in effigy on Kentucky's campus. Views of Adolph Rupp all depend on who you speak to. Payne refers to Rupp with admiration, and a a father figure. He has spent nearly his entire adult life in prison. The folowing is a really great interview, which reveals a very bright man who acknowledges the impact of his role in Kentucky basketball on his life.

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/03/27/prison-defines-life-of-tom-payne-kentuckys-first-black-player/
 
I remember Mr. Mac (HOF AD) telling me that Solley Walker was not allowed to play in that game. The "Cat House" in Lexington, Kentucky did not accept black men and so our best player could not appear in that game on that floor or stay in the team hotel. Rupp got the message in the 60's when an all black team from Texas won the NCAA's and he grudgingly made some changes for the better. That was just the way it was then. Later, in the NCAA regional final in1951 in Reynold's Coliseum in North Carolina, we played them with a full squad and beat them by 7 to go to the semi-finals. Some justice was done in a way.
Fast forward to 1985 in Lexington where we played in the final four and I can remember observations
from local Ky fans about how fortunate we were to have such fine "white" players on our team. I have always pitied those people who grew up in that environment. Little had changed there over the 34 year period from '51 to '85.
I do think they have caught up to the rest of the world by today but those thoughts do die hard.

Tom Payne, 7 foot 2, was Kentucky's first black player, signed in 1969. After playing one season, he opted for the NBA after becoming the first black all SEC player. He was subjected to incredible hostility, including being burned in effigy on Kentucky's campus. Views of Adolph Rupp all depend on who you speak to. Payne refers to Rupp with admiration, and a a father figure. He has spent nearly his entire adult life in prison. The folowing is a really great interview, which reveals a very bright man who acknowledges the impact of his role in Kentucky basketball on his life.

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/03/27/prison-defines-life-of-tom-payne-kentuckys-first-black-player/

Hard to feel sorry for this guy in spite of the racial hostility he endured during his year at Kentucky. Many others were subjected to much more and didn't go on to rape and attempt to rape multiple women, He doesn't take any responsibility for his actions nor does he show much remorse. Here's more on his crimes from Wiki:

Payne’s promising career ended suddenly in May 1972, when police in Georgia arrested him after investigating several rapes in the Atlanta area. Later, he was indicted in Kentucky in connection with one rape and two attempted rapes. In 1972, he was convicted on two counts of rape and one count of aggravated sodomy in Atlanta. He served five years in prison in Georgia, two and a half of those in solitary confinement for participating in a prison riot.

Immediately after his release from prison in Georgia, Payne was extradited to Kentucky, where he was convicted on one count of rape and two counts of attempted rape. He served five years in prison in Kentucky before being paroled in 1983. After his release from prison, he attempted a basketball comeback with the Louisville Catbirds of the CBA. He also made an attempt at a professional boxing career, participating in five bouts. Later, he moved to Hollywood and became an actor, once appearing in Night Court, as well as a McDonalds commercial.

On Valentine’s Day, 1986, police officers in Los Angeles, California caught Payne in the act of raping a woman. He was convicted of this crime, which also violated his parole in Kentucky.

Payne was released from prison in 2000, after legal wrangling allowed him to get his sentenced reduced. He was then transferred back to Kentucky, where he faced an additional 15 years in prison for violation of parole from the 1971 charge.
 
It has been reported that before UKentucky coach Rupp accepted Aferican American players that its racist fans would as a custom spit on the visiting black players from an overhang as the players passed between the visitors locker room and the court without the UKentucky officials ever trying to stop the practice.

I have never understood how a black basketball player could ever play at the University of Kentucky given the way that the grandfathers of many of the current fans treated visiting Aferican basketball players.
 
In 1951, St. John's beat #1 ranked (AP) Kentucky by 41 points !!

That is the biggest loss a number #1 ranked team ever suffered.

The subject came up on ESPN a few minutes ago in light of Miami's huge victory over Duke.

Saw that on Twitter last night.
Another great mention ;)
 
In 1951, St. John's beat #1 ranked (AP) Kentucky by 41 points !!

That is the biggest loss a number #1 ranked team ever suffered.

The subject came up on ESPN a few minutes ago in light of Miami's huge victory over Duke.

I believe they beat us by 41.

Back then, home teams picked the refs, and Adolph Rupp picked guys he knew would foul out Solly Walker (our first ever black player) in 2 minutes. Or, so the story goes.

But, we got revenge in the NCAA tournament later that season.

Right you are !!!!! I should know better than to post past midnight !!

Decemeber 17, 1951

Second ranked St. John's traveled to Kentucky to face the top-ranked Wildcats and suffered one of its worst losses in school history, 81-40.

It is also the largest margin of victory for a 1-2 matchup in college basketball history.


March 22, 1952

St. John's beat No. 1 Kentucky 64-57 in the Eastern Regional of the NCAA Tournament, avenging the worst loss in school history.
 
... I have never understood how a black basketball player could ever play at the University of Kentucky given the way that the grandfathers of many of the current fans treated visiting Aferican basketball players.

And in an arena named after Rupp, no less.
 
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