Ken Pom Local Rankings
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KenPom's rankings of Big East Teams are: Nova 2, Xavier 21, Hall 25, Providence 29, Creighton 33, SJU 48, Butler 57, Marquette 58, G*Town 70, DePaul 126.
Our next 5 games: Sacred Heart316, Grand Canyon 141, AZ State 59, Iona 148, St. Joe's 87.
And Mizzou is ranked 56, and UCF 71.
And San Diego (who beat Grand Canyon by 10(??) is ranked 153.
Go figure.
Me: I'm nervous as all hell because of our Great Escape in UCF game.
Our next 5 games: Sacred Heart316, Grand Canyon 141, AZ State 59, Iona 148, St. Joe's 87.
And Mizzou is ranked 56, and UCF 71.
And San Diego (who beat Grand Canyon by 10(??) is ranked 153.
Go figure.
Me: I'm nervous as all hell because of our Great Escape in UCF game.
These rankings are still very largely based on preseason expectations (which are based on the prior 2 years and new/returning players). We are up slightly from preseason expectations.
Our RPI (based entirely on actual results) is #39, so we are right where we need to be.
Our RPI (based entirely on actual results) is #39, so we are right where we need to be.
It might be higher in some of the other rankings, too.
RPI only considered the UCF win as a neutral court victory. Kenpom, Sagarin, and some of the others, give us more credit. They consider it a "semi-road" win, since it was in UCF's home market.
RPI only considers it to be a road game, if it is part of the other team's season ticket package. That makes me wonder about the Grand Canyon game. Don't know if it's on their season ticket, or not.
K didn't know that, 6 - 7 games into the season K-P's rankings still based on pre-season & previous season results.
Thanks.
AZ State ranks 28 in RPI? Not sure if that's the very latest ranking--but that game looms as a huge test.
I'm not very confident, following our very ugly great escape versus UCF.
Thanks.
AZ State ranks 28 in RPI? Not sure if that's the very latest ranking--but that game looms as a huge test.
I'm not very confident, following our very ugly great escape versus UCF.
I don't intend this to be a shot at Rutgers but rather a point about how difficult a job the NCAA Committee has to select teams for the Tournament. Rutgers is playing Florida State tonight as part of the ACC/Big Ten challenge. I didn't realize Rutgers is 6-0. I looked at their schedule and they have played all games in Piscataway. Tonight is in Piscataway. In fact, if I count correctly they will play 23/31 games at Home?! According to what I see on the schedule the Seton Hall, and FSU games are all at Home. Someone correct me if I am wrong?
My real point is, say RU (or any other team) plays .500 in Conference and gets to 20 wins how can they be fairly judged when they really don't even hit the road for a third of the season?
http://scarletknights.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
My real point is, say RU (or any other team) plays .500 in Conference and gets to 20 wins how can they be fairly judged when they really don't even hit the road for a third of the season?
http://scarletknights.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
Right, but the RPI does not take that into account. They only consider it a road game for us, if it is part of the GCU season ticket. If not, it's neutral.
Now, some of the other rankings that I mentioned earlier will take exactly what you said into account. If it is not part of their season ticket, they will still consider it a "semi-road" game for us, for the reasons you mentioned. So, between Central Florida and GCU, the Kenpoms and the Sagarins of the world will probably rank us higher then the RPI does. Unfortunate, but that's how it is.
RPI has us at 32 one ahead of West Virginia who also has a better SOS but seems that Missouri helps us even as a loss since RPI has them at #6. SEC seems to be the default high water mark in this year's RPI with 4 teams in the top 10. ACC next, has 2. Big East has none.
Big East has none, but schedule intent should factor, come tournament time.
Villanova was supposed to face Purdue and Arizona in the Battle 4 Atlantis. It's not their fault that those matchups did not happen, so they should not be punished for it (but, they will be).
For serious college bb fans it is always interesting to see where their team stands in the various rating systems. Seeing how much interest the college football final four rating show generates in the weeks leading up to the games I was thinking if it were possible for the NCAA to do something similar in the weeks leading up to the basketball tournament.
The NCAA basketball tournament selection is much more complicated with the number of teams, automatic bids, season end league tournaments etc. but it would be very interesting if it could be done.
The NCAA basketball tournament selection is much more complicated with the number of teams, automatic bids, season end league tournaments etc. but it would be very interesting if it could be done.
They did one show last year, but I didn't like it. All they did was give you the top four seeds in each region. We basically knew that.
I would have preferred, Last Four Byes, Last Four In, First Four Out, and Next Four Out. Or, they could have just released a whole bracket. That would have been interesting, too.
Sounds like the data I saw the other day. Wondering how 'predictive' any of these metrics are--including the vaunted RPI. Ultimately, it all hangs out on Wins & Losses. And there, I think we have the talent, counting 1 - 7...maybe '8'-- giving a '1/2' each to Amar & Trimble.
But man, that's very thin 'depth'.
But man, that's very thin 'depth'.
Kenpom.com ranks the basketball conferences
1. Big 12
2. ACC
3. BE
4. SEC
5. Big Ten
6. Pac 12
7. AAC
8. MWC
9. MVC
10. A10
11. WCC
12. CAA
13. MAC
14. Sun Belt
15. Ivy
16. Summit
17. ConUSA
18. SoCon
19. Western
20. Metro Atlantic
21. Patriot
22. Ohio Valley
1. Big 12
2. ACC
3. BE
4. SEC
5. Big Ten
6. Pac 12
7. AAC
8. MWC
9. MVC
10. A10
11. WCC
12. CAA
13. MAC
14. Sun Belt
15. Ivy
16. Summit
17. ConUSA
18. SoCon
19. Western
20. Metro Atlantic
21. Patriot
22. Ohio Valley