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JackofVirginia

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 Do you think we should have switched to a man defense after all the easy alley oop baskets? God's Gift on Davis, Pointer on Jones could have made a difference. With the zone Kentucky's big men just roamed underneath, waited for a guard to penetrate and that's all she wrote.
 
 Do you think we should have switched to a man defense after all the easy alley oop baskets? God's Gift on Davis, Pointer on Jones could have made a difference. With the zone Kentucky's big men just roamed underneath, waited for a guard to penetrate and that's all she wrote.
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What killed us is no production froms harrisson (2-12) Greene (2-9) Lindsey 1 pt I memtioned this before if H just goed 4-12 G4-9 and kindey get 10 pt Thats 23 points
 
 I think our guys just need more experience in the zone. As much as it frustrates me to watch sometimes, I don't think the zone is the problem. This is going to be our style going forward, and I think we can be very very successful in it.

But the guys need more experience in the zone. We're starting to rotate quicker from the baseline to the corner when the ball is reversed, but - our team needs to learn to trust their teammates a little more. Way to often in that game the zone collapsed to help, when I didn't think they needed to. And that left the big guys open down low for an alley oop or short bucket.

That, and we need to quit leaving our feet on ball fakes. Teams have been pump faking us out of our shoes.
 
 I believe they have to stick to zone because the team is thin and we need to avoid fouling out. But someone should have put a body on Davis to keep him away from the basket as much as possible. Either way we lose, we just didnt have enough to compete in this game. Inexperience, first real road game, Rupp Arena, undermanned, not to mention coach was not there
 
Agree mostly with your post. The problem with covering the corners when the ball is reversed is the our weakside forward (who becomes strong side) hesitates before jumping out - all the time a D1 shooter needs to square up and look like Chris Mullin. Maybe you're right about lack of trust in your teammates, but when the weakside forward jumps out quickly, with alarming frequency the ball goes fomr the corner to a cutter inside for an easy layup.

I agree with your post and Dee's. The zone is not only a choice, but a remedy to keep guys out of foul trouble. It's a poor choice for the latter, since playing a zone takes real intensity and hard work, but the thought of going to our 8th-10th men is frightening at best to our coaching staff.

 I think our guys just need more experience in the zone. As much as it frustrates me to watch sometimes, I don't think the zone is the problem. This is going to be our style going forward, and I think we can be very very successful in it.

But the guys need more experience in the zone. We're starting to rotate quicker from the baseline to the corner when the ball is reversed, but - our team needs to learn to trust their teammates a little more. Way to often in that game the zone collapsed to help, when I didn't think they needed to. And that left the big guys open down low for an alley oop or short bucket.

That, and we need to quit leaving our feet on ball fakes. Teams have been pump faking us out of our shoes.
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Agree mostly with your post. The problem with covering the corners when the ball is reversed is the our weakside forward (who becomes strong side) hesitates before jumping out - all the time a D1 shooter needs to square up and look like Chris Mullin. Maybe you're right about lack of trust in your teammates, but when the weakside forward jumps out quickly, with alarming frequency the ball goes fomr the corner to a cutter inside for an easy layup.

I agree with your post and Dee's. The zone is not only a choice, but a remedy to keep guys out of foul trouble. It's a poor choice for the latter, since playing a zone takes real intensity and hard work, but the thought of going to our 8th-10th men is frightening at best to our coaching staff.

 I think our guys just need more experience in the zone. As much as it frustrates me to watch sometimes, I don't think the zone is the problem. This is going to be our style going forward, and I think we can be very very successful in it.

But the guys need more experience in the zone. We're starting to rotate quicker from the baseline to the corner when the ball is reversed, but - our team needs to learn to trust their teammates a little more. Way to often in that game the zone collapsed to help, when I didn't think they needed to. And that left the big guys open down low for an alley oop or short bucket.

That, and we need to quit leaving our feet on ball fakes. Teams have been pump faking us out of our shoes.
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Any defense that allows a guy to hit 7 threesand beat us as in Northeastern is totally dysfunctional, especially when you have a team of shooters who can't come close to matching it. The three pt arch is the big equalizer of college hoops. It can make you or break you and so far the picture is clear with us. I don't see much of an improvement on "D" from the Roberts days right now. We have some athletes and they should be capable of stopping average shooters from going off and beating us single handed. This is a recurring problem with this format and guys are still fouling. I don't see what's being accomplished at all. We have to have the worst ratio of threes made to threes allowed in the NCAA. Add in our crappy foul shooting and it's a losing battle all the way. This is coaching all the way folks with frosh on the court. I hope we see some changes soon.
 
Agree mostly with your post. The problem with covering the corners when the ball is reversed is the our weakside forward (who becomes strong side) hesitates before jumping out - all the time a D1 shooter needs to square up and look like Chris Mullin. Maybe you're right about lack of trust in your teammates, but when the weakside forward jumps out quickly, with alarming frequency the ball goes fomr the corner to a cutter inside for an easy layup.

I agree with your post and Dee's. The zone is not only a choice, but a remedy to keep guys out of foul trouble. It's a poor choice for the latter, since playing a zone takes real intensity and hard work, but the thought of going to our 8th-10th men is frightening at best to our coaching staff.

 I think our guys just need more experience in the zone. As much as it frustrates me to watch sometimes, I don't think the zone is the problem. This is going to be our style going forward, and I think we can be very very successful in it.

But the guys need more experience in the zone. We're starting to rotate quicker from the baseline to the corner when the ball is reversed, but - our team needs to learn to trust their teammates a little more. Way to often in that game the zone collapsed to help, when I didn't think they needed to. And that left the big guys open down low for an alley oop or short bucket.

That, and we need to quit leaving our feet on ball fakes. Teams have been pump faking us out of our shoes.
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That's a good point about the repercussions of when the weakside-turned-strongside forward jumps out on the guy in the corner it opens up space underneath. That's absolutely true. I guess we haven't seen alot of it because like you indicated our guys on the weakside (Moe, GG often) pause when the ball is being swung around, so they're usually late, not early, jumping out on the shooter in the corner. Somebody posted a link to an espn-related blog who had some good early season video footage depicting this. I'll see if I can find it

And I also think your right that the idea the zone keeps guys out of foul trouble, or saves them energy isn't always the case. I think what we've seen is that the trapping guys at the top of the zone are getting themselves in foul trouble. If Nuri stops picking up charges, that will go a long way toward keeping him out of foul trouble.
 
It is an interesting analysis. The problem is we are not playing the zone properly; not the use of it itsalf. Similiar posts were written early last year because when you are playing an aggressive defense the biggest thing to learn is when NOT to dive for a steal or leave your feet. Last year's team learned so will this group. Lavin coaches team for development early in the season, always has.  
 
It is an interesting analysis. The problem is we are not playing the zone properly; not the use of it itsalf. Similiar posts were written early last year because when you are playing an aggressive defense the biggest thing to learn is when NOT to dive for a steal or leave your feet. Last year's team learned so will this group. Lavin coaches team for development early in the season, always has.  
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Login is 100% correct. Our glaring weaknesses in the zone are coupled by the presence of an entire team new to SJU, D1 ball and zones all together, not to mention that we are playing 5 or 6 scholarship players short. Our lack of roster depth this season is the equivalent to us having been given the death penalty by the NCAA. Our prowess in the zone will be righted with us continuing to play using the zones, having our core improve and folding new players and added depth next year. We should be a lot better later this season and even moreso when our core knows it well next season and can integrate the new guys. Learning curve will be much quicker.
 
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