It is time to....

[dee]

time to recruit new york kids. st johns was built on new york kids from the playgrounds. Now they come from all over the country and from other countries and they have no heart. I would rather have a third rate player from a new york high school then some of these hot shot kids we get who dont have what it takes.

 

[ZanMan]

Great thread. Now we just need one about our nickname needing to go back to Redmen and another thread about our mascot needing to go back to the Indian Chief!

Well done!!! :Z

 

[1and1sju]

time to recruit new york kids. st johns was built on new york kids from the playgrounds. Now they come from all over the country and from other countries and they have no heart. I would rather have a third rate player from a new york high school then some of these hot shot kids we get who dont have what it takes.

Really? That's the problem?
Do you think kids from Texas, Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania are any less "tough" than NY kids? Our kids might not have performed well, our coaches may not have coached well... that's all debatable, but I am reasonably sure that the reason they lost isn't because they're from other parts of the country.

Do you know how I know this? Because the "tough" teams, like Villanova, Michigan, Ohio State, and Florida are loaded with players from those states, and have few if any NYers.

I'm a big fan of getting the local "stud", because I think it gets the average NYer interested in St Johns when a Lance, Kyle, or even Moe goes to the hometown team. But north, south, east, or west.. good basketball is good basketball, and you can find tough guys in cornfields and finesse players in schoolyards. That is one thing I certainly don't fault Lavin for - looking outside the northeast for players.

 

[L J S A]

time to recruit new york kids. st johns was built on new york kids from the playgrounds. Now they come from all over the country and from other countries and they have no heart. I would rather have a third rate player from a new york high school then some of these hot shot kids we get who dont have what it takes.

I guess you mean CHSAA because I'm not sure more than three kids a year are eligible out of the PSAL.

 

[Andrew]

time to recruit new york kids. st johns was built on new york kids from the playgrounds. Now they come from all over the country and from other countries and they have no heart. I would rather have a third rate player from a new york high school then some of these hot shot kids we get who dont have what it takes.

I guess you mean CHSAA because I'm not sure more than three kids a year are eligible out of the PSAL.

So Isiah Whitehead is a PSAL rocket scientist?

 

[westchesterjoe]

time to recruit new york kids. st johns was built on new york kids from the playgrounds. Now they come from all over the country and from other countries and they have no heart. I would rather have a third rate player from a new york high school then some of these hot shot kids we get who dont have what it takes.

Really? That's the problem?
Do you think kids from Texas, Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania are any less "tough" than NY kids? Our kids might not have performed well, our coaches may not have coached well... that's all debatable, but I am reasonably sure that the reason they lost isn't because they're from other parts of the country.

Do you know how I know this? Because the "tough" teams, like Villanova, Michigan, Ohio State, and Florida are loaded with players from those states, and have few if any NYers.

I'm a big fan of getting the local "stud", because I think it gets the average NYer interested in St Johns when a Lance, Kyle, or even Moe goes to the hometown team. But north, south, east, or west.. good basketball is good basketball, and you can find tough guys in cornfields and finesse players in schoolyards. That is one thing I certainly don't fault Lavin for - looking outside the northeast for players.

Except that the kids Lavin recruits all have serious flaws in their games, despite their HS REPS. This group hasn't won anything but, loses every big game and some small one too, DePAUL.

Any shooters or quality big men on our recruiting radar? Not that anyone knows.

 

[monte]

time to recruit new york kids. st johns was built on new york kids from the playgrounds. Now they come from all over the country and from other countries and they have no heart. I would rather have a third rate player from a new york high school then some of these hot shot kids we get who dont have what it takes.

Really? That's the problem?
Do you think kids from Texas, Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania are any less "tough" than NY kids? Our kids might not have performed well, our coaches may not have coached well... that's all debatable, but I am reasonably sure that the reason they lost isn't because they're from other parts of the country.

Do you know how I know this? Because the "tough" teams, like Villanova, Michigan, Ohio State, and Florida are loaded with players from those states, and have few if any NYers.

I'm a big fan of getting the local "stud", because I think it gets the average NYer interested in St Johns when a Lance, Kyle, or even Moe goes to the hometown team. But north, south, east, or west.. good basketball is good basketball, and you can find tough guys in cornfields and finesse players in schoolyards. That is one thing I certainly don't fault Lavin for - looking outside the northeast for players.

Except that the kids Lavin recruits all have serious flaws in their games, despite their HS REPS. This group hasn't won anything but, loses every big game and some small one too, DePAUL.

Any shooters or quality big men on our recruiting radar? Not that anyone knows.

How many kids coming out of HS don't have flaws in their game? The idea is to get kids that compliment each other. In the right setting, under the right tutelage, I have no doubt that every kid on this team could be a solid D1 player, if not more. Louie was very good at finding the right pieces. Lavin not so much.

 

[1and1sju]

time to recruit new york kids. st johns was built on new york kids from the playgrounds. Now they come from all over the country and from other countries and they have no heart. I would rather have a third rate player from a new york high school then some of these hot shot kids we get who dont have what it takes.

Really? That's the problem?
Do you think kids from Texas, Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania are any less "tough" than NY kids? Our kids might not have performed well, our coaches may not have coached well... that's all debatable, but I am reasonably sure that the reason they lost isn't because they're from other parts of the country.

Do you know how I know this? Because the "tough" teams, like Villanova, Michigan, Ohio State, and Florida are loaded with players from those states, and have few if any NYers.

I'm a big fan of getting the local "stud", because I think it gets the average NYer interested in St Johns when a Lance, Kyle, or even Moe goes to the hometown team. But north, south, east, or west.. good basketball is good basketball, and you can find tough guys in cornfields and finesse players in schoolyards. That is one thing I certainly don't fault Lavin for - looking outside the northeast for players.

Except that the kids Lavin recruits all have serious flaws in their games, despite their HS REPS. This group hasn't won anything but, loses every big game and some small one too, DePAUL.

Any shooters or quality big men on our recruiting radar? Not that anyone knows.

That's valid. But he can got to Florida to find re-bounders and shooters with less holes in their, it doesn't matter where they are from.

 

[L J S A]

time to recruit new york kids. st johns was built on new york kids from the playgrounds. Now they come from all over the country and from other countries and they have no heart. I would rather have a third rate player from a new york high school then some of these hot shot kids we get who dont have what it takes.

I guess you mean CHSAA because I'm not sure more than three kids a year are eligible out of the PSAL.

So Isiah Whitehead is a PSAL rocket scientist?

I have a lot of issues with Lincoln the program, and I always have trouble imagining that the school is good, but I will give them credit: Whenever they have a superstar player, he's eligible for freshman participation.

 

[MJDinkins]

time to recruit new york kids. st johns was built on new york kids from the playgrounds. Now they come from all over the country and from other countries and they have no heart. I would rather have a third rate player from a new york high school then some of these hot shot kids we get who dont have what it takes.

Here you go again with this silly BS.

 

[redken]

time to recruit new york kids. st johns was built on new york kids from the playgrounds. Now they come from all over the country and from other countries and they have no heart. I would rather have a third rate player from a new york high school then some of these hot shot kids we get who dont have what it takes.

Here you go again with this silly BS.

Yeah, the PC game would have had a different outcome if we'd had a Eugene Lawrence or Devonte Grace running the show and a Ricky Torres raining down threes. And, oh yes, guys like D'Lo and Jordan have no heart.

MJ, "silly BS" is being too kind.

 

[ct_redstorm]

And we wonder why we have players transfer away every year..

I personally think that this team has more heart than any team we have had in some time

 

[dee]

And we wonder why we have players transfer away every year..

I personally think that this team has more heart than any team we have had in some time

sure they have heart but they cant get it done. look the acc is now planning to play its tournament at Barclay's. One big reason is visibility for recruiting. They arent recruiting the kids from texas or detroit, they want new yorkers. New York kids. We had Harkless but he was one and done and came at a time we were just starting to rebuild and Lavin got sick. why is it that this group that we have seemed to fizzle away in almost every close game. was it because they just werent lucky? or is it because they just dont have what it takes to crush an opponent. look how they played (played is not really the right word) in the Providence game. I mean do you need any further proof? When the chips were down they couldnt do it. What is that saying -- when the going gets tough the tough get going-- you wont see that with this rat pack of players. I am sorry if I sound harsh but I have had it with losing. It is time we take off the rose colored glasses and call it for what it is

 

[MJDinkins]

And we wonder why we have players transfer away every year..

I personally think that this team has more heart than any team we have had in some time

sure they have heart but they cant get it done. look the acc is now planning to play its tournament at Barclay's. One big reason is visibility for recruiting. They arent recruiting the kids from texas or detroit, they want new yorkers. New York kids.

The ACC want New York because of the market. It has nothing to do with players. Do you really think Duke, UNC, Pittsburgh, Louisville, and Notre Dame has to play a tournament in NYC to attract players? They aren't recruiting kids from Texas and Michigan (Detroit)? Seriously? Who are these players they are all coveting from NY (from blue chippers-to-diamond in the roughs)?

We had Harkless but he was one and done and came at a time we were just starting to rebuild and Lavin got sick. why is it that this group that we have seemed to fizzle away in almost every close game. was it because they just werent lucky? or is it because they just dont have what it takes to crush an opponent. look how they played (played is not really the right word) in the Providence game. I mean do you need any further proof? When the chips were down they couldnt do it. What is that saying -- when the going gets tough the tough get going-- you wont see that with this rat pack of players.

LOL

I don't even know how to respond to this quote.

I am sorry if I sound harsh but I have had it with losing. It is time we take off the rose colored glasses and call it for what it is

Nah.... You don't sound harsh at all. More like delusional and out of touch. You must live under a rock, man.

 

[dee]

And we wonder why we have players transfer away every year..

I personally think that this team has more heart than any team we have had in some time

sure they have heart but they cant get it done. look the acc is now planning to play its tournament at Barclay's. One big reason is visibility for recruiting. They arent recruiting the kids from texas or detroit, they want new yorkers. New York kids.

The ACC want New York because of the market. It has nothing to do with players. Do you really think Duke, UNC, Pittsburgh, Louisville, and Notre Dame has to play a tournament in NYC to attract players? They aren't recruiting kids from Texas and Michigan (Detroit)? Seriously? Who are these players they are all coveting from NY (from blue chippers-to-diamond in the roughs)?

We had Harkless but he was one and done and came at a time we were just starting to rebuild and Lavin got sick. why is it that this group that we have seemed to fizzle away in almost every close game. was it because they just werent lucky? or is it because they just dont have what it takes to crush an opponent. look how they played (played is not really the right word) in the Providence game. I mean do you need any further proof? When the chips were down they couldnt do it. What is that saying -- when the going gets tough the tough get going-- you wont see that with this rat pack of players.

LOL

I don't even know how to respond to this quote.

I am sorry if I sound harsh but I have had it with losing. It is time we take off the rose colored glasses and call it for what it is

Nah.... You don't sound harsh at all. More like delusional and out of touch. You must live under a rock, man.

If you read the newspapers this week there was a quote from people in the ACC that playing their tournament in nyc was good for recruiting.
You know there was a time when Duke and UConn and other teams werent so "fabulous" that they didnt need to recruit. It all lies with the coach. When Coach K leaves Duke, it wont be the same recruiting wise, nor will it be for Cuse when Boeheim leaves.
Kids want to play in the mecca. Sure it is about media attention but media attention helps recruiting and without recruits their ratings wouldnt be the same. Providence just advanced to the finals in the BE and whether they win or lose, guess what - one of their key players- is a new york kid who scored 17 points last night. Surprise surprise. We need some new york players. I think Lavin should spend a little time at Christ the King HS and some other high schools in nyc and long island. Losing has become so common at st johns that you accept it and down deep I think most of you expect it. So when you expect it, you accept it, it happens. They have become the losers that they are.

 

[MJDinkins]

And we wonder why we have players transfer away every year..

I personally think that this team has more heart than any team we have had in some time

sure they have heart but they cant get it done. look the acc is now planning to play its tournament at Barclay's. One big reason is visibility for recruiting. They arent recruiting the kids from texas or detroit, they want new yorkers. New York kids.

The ACC want New York because of the market. It has nothing to do with players. Do you really think Duke, UNC, Pittsburgh, Louisville, and Notre Dame has to play a tournament in NYC to attract players? They aren't recruiting kids from Texas and Michigan (Detroit)? Seriously? Who are these players they are all coveting from NY (from blue chippers-to-diamond in the roughs)?

We had Harkless but he was one and done and came at a time we were just starting to rebuild and Lavin got sick. why is it that this group that we have seemed to fizzle away in almost every close game. was it because they just werent lucky? or is it because they just dont have what it takes to crush an opponent. look how they played (played is not really the right word) in the Providence game. I mean do you need any further proof? When the chips were down they couldnt do it. What is that saying -- when the going gets tough the tough get going-- you wont see that with this rat pack of players.

LOL

I don't even know how to respond to this quote.

I am sorry if I sound harsh but I have had it with losing. It is time we take off the rose colored glasses and call it for what it is

Nah.... You don't sound harsh at all. More like delusional and out of touch. You must live under a rock, man.

If you read the newspapers this week there was a quote from people in the ACC that playing their tournament in nyc was good for recruiting.
You know there was a time when Duke and UConn and other teams werent so "fabulous" that they didnt need to recruit. It all lies with the coach. When Coach K leaves Duke, it wont be the same recruiting wise, nor will it be for Cuse when Boeheim leaves.
Kids want to play in the mecca. Sure it is about media attention but media attention helps recruiting and without recruits their ratings wouldnt be the same. Providence just advanced to the finals in the BE and whether they win or lose, guess what - one of their key players- is a new york kid who scored 17 points last night. Surprise surprise. We need some new york players. I think Lavin should spend a little time at Christ the King HS and some other high schools in nyc and long island. Losing has become so common at st johns that you accept it and down deep I think most of you expect it. So when you expect it, you accept it, it happens. They have become the losers that they are.

I don't even know where to begin on this one, so I won't bother. I could build dozens of scarecrow with this post.