Incarnate Word - Zone Defense ?

Yes... awful.

Players did not play as a team/unit, coaches made little adjustments to IW game,there was no hunger etc...

and guys like Christian Jones need more time on the bench... I cringe whenever he gets his hands on the ball both offensively or defensively as it seems like it's never going in or a turnover.

Bashir Ahmed was supposedly at the game... I'd be turned off vs. inspired. Hopefully Matt A. has a plan on how to handle the follow up with him.
 
Turnovers, turnovers, turnovers and more turnovers. Then we closed it 7(I think) and Amar and Johnson clang free three throws...... They hit a 3 game over. The 3 point defense is awful and has been. As far as Ahmed he will come cause of the coaching staff and Playing time.
 
Yes... awful.

Players did not play as a team/unit, coaches made little adjustments to IW game,there was no hunger etc...

and guys like Christian Jones need more time on the bench... I cringe whenever he gets his hands on the ball both offensively or defensively as it seems like it's never going in or a turnover.

Bashir Ahmed was supposedly at the game... I'd be turned off vs. inspired. Hopefully Matt A. has a plan on how to handle the follow up with him.
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Beating Syracuse was great but it was fool's gold. Even against Cuse we didn't defend the 3. They lost because they only shot 19% from the 3 and chose not to pressure Mussini. Once any other player other than Musso touches the ball, i.e. Johnson, Mouvlika or Jones, it's 50/50 it will be turned over. They are big, slow and too unathletic. So slow and unathletic that D2 talent has been running circles around them.
Only Yakwe and Sima come to play defense. The rest of the team, to a man, are matadors. The coaches could not make too many adjustments without a leader on the floor. Passing and spacing is CYO level. The only thing that will make this team better is new players. Next year you can pencil in Sima, Ponds and Lovett. They really need a scorer like Bashir Ahmed who also likes to play defense. The rest of this team will come off the bench and will have to earn their minutes. That is something none of them have to do this year thus the lazy defense and lack of mental toughness.
 
This team AND coaching staff is really embarrassing right now.

And its not lack of players or talent......it's the little things that are unacceptable. It's the poor free throw shooting, it's the inability to close out on defense. It's the constant mental mistakes. That's not due to lack of talent...that's due to lack of effort and mental preparedness by both the players and staff.
 
This team AND coaching staff is really embarrassing right now.

And its not lack of players or talent......it's the little things that are unacceptable. It's the poor free throw shooting, it's the inability to close out on defense. It's the constant mental mistakes. That's not due to lack of talent...that's due to lack of effort and mental preparedness by both the players and staff.
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What are you doing here? :huh:
 
Allowing a team to shoot 55% from the floor is awful. Every game some player is having a career game against us. I would love to put it on the coaches but players play the game. Not too mention out awful FT shooting. Really we had a lot off good looks and couldn't put the ball in the basket.
 
Allowing a team to shoot 55% from the floor is awful. Every game some player is having a career game against us. I would love to put it on the coaches but players play the game. Not too mention out awful FT shooting. Really we had a lot off good looks and couldn't put the ball in the basket.
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Yes, it is awful but this is likely the worst defensive team in redmen history and the least talented so the outcome (s) should not be surprising anyone. This staff had few recruiting options but to continue recruiting Lavin recruits such as Mussini, Lovett, Sampson, Diallo and Yakwe. Luckily they signed 3 of them. The rest of the team is a patchwork of borderline D1 talent save for Sima who will become a very good Big East center with some weight gain and experience.
We are losing to teams like NJIT and Incarnate Word because our starters include Ron Mouvlika? Chris Jones, Durand Johnson and Mussini who have no business starting or playing significant minutes at this level.
Players such as Mouvlika and Johnson are 6'6 but play smaller and are plain awful defenders. If you look at the stats today those two allowed, with Musso, uncontested outside shots while taking most of the shots for SJ where DJ and RM went 6-26. SJ took 22 more shots than NJIT (70-48). This same NJIT team beat Michigan at Ann Arbor last year because they have a talented true point guard in Lynn. We will have guards like him next year in Ponds and Lovett but Mussini is just not at that talent level. Without a healthy Lovett, if he is cleared, this team may win one or two more games at most. Even with Lovett more than 12-14 wins would be significant improvement.
The BIGGEST question is will this staff be able to close the deal on their top targets and will St. Jean continue to draw up the plays while Mullin is chatting with friends behind his bench.http://basketball.realgm.com/ncaa/boxscore/2015-12-20/NJIT-at-St-Johns/226885
 
[while Mullin is chatting with friends behind his bench.
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I noticed that while watching the game today and the TV caught that....seemed like an eternity although it was only a few seconds.... didn't do him any favors...
 
Totally agree 72..... I have said in previous post this is a 3 year rebuild. I do like the Sima, Yakwe and Mussini (off the bench next year). With Lovett and Ponds. The free throw misses at a high percentage drives me crazy.
 
[while Mullin is chatting with friends behind his bench.
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I noticed that while watching the game today and the TV caught that....seemed like an eternity although it was only a few seconds.... didn't do him any favors...
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At one time out with around 3 minutes left in the game St. Jean was inside the huddle drawing up a play. Mullin was outside the huddle looking over a player's shoulder. Uneffingreal! That's not the definition of "coaching" Chris! Bottom line is this coaching staff will succeed or fail based upon the success of their recruiting, just like the previous staff. This staff should be more succesful at that aspect of "coaching" but don't expect too much in game coaching by our Hall of Fame guys because their last names are not Keady.
 
Totally agree 72..... I have said in previous post this is a 3 year rebuild. I do like the Sima, Yakwe and Mussini (off the bench next year). With Lovett and Ponds. The free throw misses at a high percentage drives me crazy.
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Free throw shooting is M&M-mechanics and mental and it takes a lot of repetition. Our younger players lack both the mechanics and mental toughness when they play from behind.
The three players you mentioned are young freshmen who normally would not start at this level or just get spot minutes on an experienced team. They have basically been thrown to the wolves. Mussini especially since he is neither a point guard or a defensive player. Another freshman getting minutes is Ellison who is 2 to 3 years away from being a contributor at this level and that is if he sticks with SJ once he is recruited over. Mussini will get spot minutes next year and, imo, will not adjust to it well and return to the Italian league. This staff knows that imo and are looking at all potential guards. As for next year, if, along with Ponds, we sign 3 other 4 star players this year will be a distant memory. Trust me, no one in the administration is expecting a 3 year rebuild with Slice being paid half a mill to bring in players.
 
Allowing a team to shoot 55% from the floor is awful. Every game some player is having a career game against us. I would love to put it on the coaches but players play the game. Not too mention out awful FT shooting. Really we had a lot off good looks and couldn't put the ball in the basket.
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Yes, it is awful but this is likely the worst defensive team in redmen history and the least talented so the outcome (s) should not be surprising anyone. This staff had few recruiting options but to continue recruiting Lavin recruits such as Mussini, Lovett, Sampson, Diallo and Yakwe. Luckily they signed 3 of them. The rest of the team is a patchwork of borderline D1 talent save for Sima who will become a very good Big East center with some weight gain and experience.
We are losing to teams like NJIT and Incarnate Word because our starters include Ron Mouvlika? Chris Jones, Durand Johnson and Mussini who have no business starting or playing significant minutes at this level.
Players such as Mouvlika and Johnson are 6'6 but play smaller and are plain awful defenders. If you look at the stats today those two allowed, with Musso, uncontested outside shots while taking most of the shots for SJ where DJ and RM went 6-26. SJ took 22 more shots than NJIT (70-48). This same NJIT team beat Michigan at Ann Arbor last year because they have a talented true point guard in Lynn. We will have guards like him next year in Ponds and Lovett but Mussini is just not at that talent level. Without a healthy Lovett, if he is cleared, this team may win one or two more games at most. Even with Lovett more than 12-14 wins would be significant improvement.
The BIGGEST question is will this staff be able to close the deal on their top targets and will St. Jean continue to draw up the plays while Mullin is chatting with friends behind his bench.http://basketball.realgm.com/ncaa/boxscore/2015-12-20/NJIT-at-St-Johns/226885
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Durand Johnson came here from Pitt. Sima was a 3 star recruit who chose us over Baylor, Louisville, and Maryland. Ellison had offers from several high D1 schools. Christian Jones had offers from Baylor and Marquette. Darien Williams de-committed from Iowa State and committed here instead.

So please don't sit there and say that everyone other than Mussini, Lovett, and Yakwe are borderline D1 talent, because it simply isn't true. Unless you are a better at evaluating talent than all of the coaches at the schools listed above?
 
Allowing a team to shoot 55% from the floor is awful. Every game some player is having a career game against us. I would love to put it on the coaches but players play the game. Not too mention out awful FT shooting. Really we had a lot off good looks and couldn't put the ball in the basket.
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Yes, it is awful but this is likely the worst defensive team in redmen history and the least talented so the outcome (s) should not be surprising anyone. This staff had few recruiting options but to continue recruiting Lavin recruits such as Mussini, Lovett, Sampson, Diallo and Yakwe. Luckily they signed 3 of them. The rest of the team is a patchwork of borderline D1 talent save for Sima who will become a very good Big East center with some weight gain and experience.
We are losing to teams like NJIT and Incarnate Word because our starters include Ron Mouvlika? Chris Jones, Durand Johnson and Mussini who have no business starting or playing significant minutes at this level.
Players such as Mouvlika and Johnson are 6'6 but play smaller and are plain awful defenders. If you look at the stats today those two allowed, with Musso, uncontested outside shots while taking most of the shots for SJ where DJ and RM went 6-26. SJ took 22 more shots than NJIT (70-48). This same NJIT team beat Michigan at Ann Arbor last year because they have a talented true point guard in Lynn. We will have guards like him next year in Ponds and Lovett but Mussini is just not at that talent level. Without a healthy Lovett, if he is cleared, this team may win one or two more games at most. Even with Lovett more than 12-14 wins would be significant improvement.
The BIGGEST question is will this staff be able to close the deal on their top targets and will St. Jean continue to draw up the plays while Mullin is chatting with friends behind his bench.http://basketball.realgm.com/ncaa/boxscore/2015-12-20/NJIT-at-St-Johns/226885
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Durand Johnson came here from Pitt. Sima was a 3 star recruit who chose us over Baylor, Louisville, and Maryland. Ellison had offers from several high D1 schools. Christian Jones had offers from Baylor and Marquette. Darien Williams de-committed from Iowa State and committed here instead.

So please don't sit there and say that everyone other than Mussini, Lovett, and Yakwe are borderline D1 talent, because it simply isn't true. Unless you are a better at evaluating talent than all of the coaches at the schools listed above?
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Well Mary Contrary there is a big difference between getting offers and getting minutes. I actually had Sima in the Mussini, Lovett and Yakwe group so pay attention to your own highlighted text. Lol!
Durand Johnson devolved into a bust at Pitt. Christian Jones is a 5 minute sub. Ellison is too slow and would have a tough time getting minutes on the NJIT team. Darien Williams is injured, was injured and may stay injured. Unless you have not been watching, these are the very same players getting blown out of the gym by a D2 team, Fordham, Vanderbilt, NJIT and Incomprehensible Word. The two Vincention schools are, and have been, dragging the new Big East down in RPI. Trying to defend this current cluster fuck of talent is a waste of time. They need new and talented players period. Coach K, Rick Pitino and the late John Wooden would not get more than 12 wins from our current starters who include upperclassmen like Jones, Mouvlika and Johnson. The one thing most redmen fans and ticket holders will agree on is this was not the year to raise ticket prices.
 
How about it, the defense is pathetic, Mvouika is the worst of the bunch, just plain lazy. His defensive philosophy is; "He'll miss", which almost never happens, Mussini and Johnson are right there with him. They easily get beat off the dribble, other guys step over and 3 pointers are reigning down from everywhere. They are also incredibly inept at working around picks. This team should never NOT be playing zone. How can the coaching staff not recognize this?
 
To the point earlier on FT being mental and mechanical...... I like Yakwe but it's almost painful to watch him set up to take a free throw shot. It's just not smooth and hopefully Mullin can work with him here... or Greg St. Jean... I read he was an outstanding FT shooter in college and likely had great mechanics.
 
Allowing a team to shoot 55% from the floor is awful. Every game some player is having a career game against us. I would love to put it on the coaches but players play the game. Not too mention out awful FT shooting. Really we had a lot off good looks and couldn't put the ball in the basket.
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Yes, it is awful but this is likely the worst defensive team in redmen history and the least talented so the outcome (s) should not be surprising anyone. This staff had few recruiting options but to continue recruiting Lavin recruits such as Mussini, Lovett, Sampson, Diallo and Yakwe. Luckily they signed 3 of them. The rest of the team is a patchwork of borderline D1 talent save for Sima who will become a very good Big East center with some weight gain and experience.
We are losing to teams like NJIT and Incarnate Word because our starters include Ron Mouvlika? Chris Jones, Durand Johnson and Mussini who have no business starting or playing significant minutes at this level.
Players such as Mouvlika and Johnson are 6'6 but play smaller and are plain awful defenders. If you look at the stats today those two allowed, with Musso, uncontested outside shots while taking most of the shots for SJ where DJ and RM went 6-26. SJ took 22 more shots than NJIT (70-48). This same NJIT team beat Michigan at Ann Arbor last year because they have a talented true point guard in Lynn. We will have guards like him next year in Ponds and Lovett but Mussini is just not at that talent level. Without a healthy Lovett, if he is cleared, this team may win one or two more games at most. Even with Lovett more than 12-14 wins would be significant improvement.
The BIGGEST question is will this staff be able to close the deal on their top targets and will St. Jean continue to draw up the plays while Mullin is chatting with friends behind his bench.http://basketball.realgm.com/ncaa/boxscore/2015-12-20/NJIT-at-St-Johns/226885
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Durand Johnson came here from Pitt. Sima was a 3 star recruit who chose us over Baylor, Louisville, and Maryland. Ellison had offers from several high D1 schools. Christian Jones had offers from Baylor and Marquette. Darien Williams de-committed from Iowa State and committed here instead.

So please don't sit there and say that everyone other than Mussini, Lovett, and Yakwe are borderline D1 talent, because it simply isn't true. Unless you are a better at evaluating talent than all of the coaches at the schools listed above?
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Well Mary Contrary there is a big difference between getting offers and getting minutes. I actually had Sima in the Mussini, Lovett and Yakwe group so pay attention to your own highlighted text. Lol!
Durand Johnson devolved into a bust at Pitt. Christian Jones is a 5 minute sub. Ellison is too slow and would have a tough time getting minutes on the NJIT team. Darien Williams is injured, was injured and may stay injured. Unless you have not been watching, these are the very same players getting blown out of the gym by a D2 team, Fordham, Vanderbilt, NJIT and Incomprehensible Word. The two Vincention schools are, and have been, dragging the new Big East down in RPI. Trying to defend this current cluster fuck of talent is a waste of time. They need new and talented players period. Coach K, Rick Pitino and the late John Wooden would not get more than 12 wins from our current starters who include upperclassmen like Jones, Mouvlika and Johnson. The one thing most redmen fans and ticket holders will agree on is this was not the year to raise ticket prices.
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Ok look at Christian Jones.....what you are saying is that Baylor and Marquette wasted their time in recruiting and offering him a scholarship, because he is not good enough for D1?

And you are right, Ellison is definitely not a D1 player, even though he had offers from us, La Salle, Maryland, Rhode Island, Rutgers, St Joe's, Seton Hall, South Carolina, Temple, Wake Forest, and Xavier. But none of those programs now how to evaluate talent, right?
 
Allowing a team to shoot 55% from the floor is awful. Every game some player is having a career game against us. I would love to put it on the coaches but players play the game. Not too mention out awful FT shooting. Really we had a lot off good looks and couldn't put the ball in the basket.
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Yes, it is awful but this is likely the worst defensive team in redmen history and the least talented so the outcome (s) should not be surprising anyone. This staff had few recruiting options but to continue recruiting Lavin recruits such as Mussini, Lovett, Sampson, Diallo and Yakwe. Luckily they signed 3 of them. The rest of the team is a patchwork of borderline D1 talent save for Sima who will become a very good Big East center with some weight gain and experience.
We are losing to teams like NJIT and Incarnate Word because our starters include Ron Mouvlika? Chris Jones, Durand Johnson and Mussini who have no business starting or playing significant minutes at this level.
Players such as Mouvlika and Johnson are 6'6 but play smaller and are plain awful defenders. If you look at the stats today those two allowed, with Musso, uncontested outside shots while taking most of the shots for SJ where DJ and RM went 6-26. SJ took 22 more shots than NJIT (70-48). This same NJIT team beat Michigan at Ann Arbor last year because they have a talented true point guard in Lynn. We will have guards like him next year in Ponds and Lovett but Mussini is just not at that talent level. Without a healthy Lovett, if he is cleared, this team may win one or two more games at most. Even with Lovett more than 12-14 wins would be significant improvement.
The BIGGEST question is will this staff be able to close the deal on their top targets and will St. Jean continue to draw up the plays while Mullin is chatting with friends behind his bench.http://basketball.realgm.com/ncaa/boxscore/2015-12-20/NJIT-at-St-Johns/226885
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Durand Johnson came here from Pitt. Sima was a 3 star recruit who chose us over Baylor, Louisville, and Maryland. Ellison had offers from several high D1 schools. Christian Jones had offers from Baylor and Marquette. Darien Williams de-committed from Iowa State and committed here instead.

So please don't sit there and say that everyone other than Mussini, Lovett, and Yakwe are borderline D1 talent, because it simply isn't true. Unless you are a better at evaluating talent than all of the coaches at the schools listed above?
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Well Mary Contrary there is a big difference between getting offers and getting minutes. I actually had Sima in the Mussini, Lovett and Yakwe group so pay attention to your own highlighted text. Lol!
Durand Johnson devolved into a bust at Pitt. Christian Jones is a 5 minute sub. Ellison is too slow and would have a tough time getting minutes on the NJIT team. Darien Williams is injured, was injured and may stay injured. Unless you have not been watching, these are the very same players getting blown out of the gym by a D2 team, Fordham, Vanderbilt, NJIT and Incomprehensible Word. The two Vincention schools are, and have been, dragging the new Big East down in RPI. Trying to defend this current cluster fuck of talent is a waste of time. They need new and talented players period. Coach K, Rick Pitino and the late John Wooden would not get more than 12 wins from our current starters who include upperclassmen like Jones, Mouvlika and Johnson. The one thing most redmen fans and ticket holders will agree on is this was not the year to raise ticket prices.
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Ok look at Christian Jones.....so what you are saying is that Baylor and Marquette wasted their time in recruiting and offering him a scholarship, because he is not good enough for D1?
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No, genius! That's what you are saying!!! I am saying he is a FIVE minute sub getting TWENTY EIGHT minutes per game. He is starting on a Big East team. He, Mouvlika, Mussini and the rest of our current team would have a tough time getting minutes on any other Big East team except DePaul. That is why we are going to lose a record number of games since the Pittsburgh scandal. This staff signed whatever available players were uncommitted as of April so it is not reflective of the type of basketball players they will pursue going forward. At least I hope not. Otherwise we will have classes that resembles Lavin's 2nd class that included Christian Jones, Marco Bourgaut, Max Hooper, Orlando Sanchez, Felix Balamou and Chris Obekpa. All will go down in redmen history as quite forgetable. I fully expect Chris Mullin and his staff to recruit at the highest level and beginning next year will hold their feet to the fire if both the talent and coaching does not equal expectations.
 
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