Great News !!! / St. John's Undergrad Business Program Rises In the Rankings

This is actually phenomenal news.

First of all, Congratulations to JSJ, who is on the Board of Advisors for the Tobin College of Business.   He devotes a ton of time to the university in several capacities, and deserves some credit for the upwards trajectory and ascent.   Great job JSJ!!!

Of course Norean Sharpe deserves enormous credit.   Norean is a Gempeshaw hire from Georgetown. I've heard that some of our best  administrators hired during his tenure as president would not have come here except for their respect for him.   He deserves props for the success too.

Here's why #38 is  so significant::  When my  kids applied to college, Villanova stood out because tthey had just cracked the top 25 of undergraduate business programs.   In the same year they made the sweet 16, and went to the common app   Their applications soared from about 7500 to over 22,000 applications.   They were competing for about 1700 freshman seats spread across liberal arts, nursing, engineering and business. I never understood published acceptance rates.

When you consider that we are now ranked #38, you must also consider the schools who are potentially in the elite grouping, Every Ivy, led by Harvard Business School and Upenn Wharton, Stanford, U of Chicago, MIT, Northwestern, NYU, Georgetown, Notre Dame, BC, Villanova, and others, all typically in the top 30.    St. John's reaching #38 is now approaching elite business school status.  This is beyond awesome.

SJU can become a top flight academic institution while at the same time serving those students marginalized by poverty and immigrant students who are the first to graduate college in their families.    We are changing lives.

Now at the same time, in addition to the exceptional academic qualifications of our pharmacy and PA students (with nursing and PT soon to follow), and our law students, Tobin graduates are becoming a brand unto themselves.   With some phenomenally successful alums in high places, many of them have always favored SJU grads.   Now  they will have to begin to compete for the talent as the business school continues to shine.

Great, great news.

 
 
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Beast of the East post=453420 said:
This is actually phenomenal news.

First of all, Congratulations to JSJ, who is on the Board of Advisors for the Tobin College of Business.   He devotes a ton of time to the university in several capacities, and deserves some credit for the upwards trajectory and ascent.   Great job JSJ!!!

Of course Norean Sharpe deserves enormous credit.   Norean is a Gempeshaw hire from Georgetown. I've heard that some of our best  administrators hired during his tenure as president would not have come here except for their respect for him.   He deserves props for the success too.

Here's why #38 is  so significant::  When my  kids applied to college, Villanova stood out because tthey had just cracked the top 25 of undergraduate business programs.   In the same year they made the sweet 16, and went to the common app   Their applications soared from about 7500 to over 22,000 applications.   They were competing for about 1700 freshman seats spread across liberal arts, nursing, engineering and business. I never understood published acceptance rates.

When you consider that we are now ranked #38, you must also consider the schools who are potentially in the elite grouping, Every Ivy, led by Harvard Business School and Upenn Wharton, Stanford, U of Chicago, MIT, Northwestern, NYU, Georgetown, Notre Dame, BC, Villanova, and others, all typically in the top 30.    St. John's reaching #38 is now approaching elite business school status.  This is beyond awesome.

SJU can become a top flight academic institution while at the same time serving those students marginalized by poverty and immigrant students who are the first to graduate college in their families.    We are changing lives.

Now at the same time, in addition to the exceptional academic qualifications of our pharmacy and PA students (with nursing and PT soon to follow), and our law students, Tobin graduates are becoming a brand unto themselves.   With some phenomenally successful alums in high places, many of them have always favored SJU grads.   Now  they will have to begin to compete for the talent as the business school continues to shine.

Great, great news.


 
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Also, I believe Mike Simons led the committee to search for the Tobin Dean and he was instrumental in bringing in Dean Sharpe. 
I hope the US News rankings increase as well. For whatever reason, those are the ones that get the most attention.
 
The impressive jump in rankings is the result of strong institutional leadership that started under President Gempeshaw and will accelerate under President Stanley.

congratulations also in order to my pal the Honorable  JSJ.
 
I follow this list because I went to Binghamton and they have also moved up the list a lot recently as well. My daughter is currently in the Delaware Business School. The criteria doesn't always match reality but people do follow this list and there is validity in it. You need to look across a number of undergraduate business rankings and even then there is some subjectivity. At the end of the day outcomes are the most important and it's easier to get a good job in accounting or majors like Management Information Systens then it is in finance from a mid tier school but this is still great news for St. John's and it looks like they are getting very good students. Schools that aren't ranked and there are some good ones choose not to supply Poets and Quants the information they require. They have reasons they may not want to do that. 
 
Beast, great post, and all on here know of the enormity of JSJ's love of St. John's and his sage counsel to Tobin is icing on the cake.
Thank you Kevin.

As a SJU law school grad (from '78) I am watching Dean Simons (Holy Cross College alum) return the Law School to its glory days, when after Columbia, NYU and Fordham it was the next premier school in and around NYC. The school is doing the right thing: being more selective about who they admit, offering scholarships to entice high caliber applicants to commit and not worrying about filling up classrooms just to rake in money.

With Tobin, Law, Pharmacy, and others Fr. Shaley and his team can raise the overall academic profile of our great university. Now if we can win the NC, our applications will explode only helping our academics.
 
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BrookJersey Redmen post=453503 said:
Beast, great post, and all on here know of the enormity of JSJ's love of St. John's and his sage counsel to Tobin is icing on the cake.
Thank you Kevin.

As a SJU law school grad (from '78) I am watching Dean Simons (Holy Cross College alum) return the Law School to its glory days, when after Columbia, NYU and Fordham it was the next premier school in and around NYC. The school is doing the right thing: being more selective about who they admit, offering scholarships to entice high caliber applicants to commit and not worrying about filling up classrooms just to rake in money.

With Tobin, Law, Pharmacy, and others Fr. Shaley and his team can raise the overall academic profile of our great university. Now if we can win the NC, our applications will explode only helping our academics.
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Hey, PM me.

By the way, ProudAlum has also  volunteered his time to make Tobin a better business school.  Congrats to him also.
 
Beast of the East post=453420 said:
When you consider that we are now ranked #38, you must also consider the schools who are potentially in the elite grouping, Every Ivy, led by Harvard Business School and Upenn Wharton, Stanford, U of Chicago, MIT, Northwestern, NYU, Georgetown, Notre Dame, BC, Villanova, and others..... 

 
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Yes it is great news but you understand that many of the "elites" (your term) you noted are not ranked because they do not have dedicated undergrad business department (see no listing for Dartmouth, Harvard, Brown, Princeton, Columbia, Cal, Chicago, MIT,  Stanford, Northwestern, Williams, Amherst, etc.) all of which pack grads in successful business careers.
Poets&Quants For Undergrads - Wharton Again Tops Poets&Quants' Best Undergraduate Business School Rankings (poetsandquantsforundergrads.com)

Please understand that I am not trivializing St. John's position in the "Poets & Quants" rankings, it is something to be proud of but it is unfair to count St. John's at this point of time as an "elite".
 
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Beast of the East post=453420 said:
When you consider that we are now ranked #38, you must also consider the schools who are potentially in the elite grouping, Every Ivy, led by Harvard Business School and Upenn Wharton, Stanford, U of Chicago, MIT, Northwestern, NYU, Georgetown, Notre Dame, BC, Villanova, and others..... 


 
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Yes it is great news but you understand that many of the "elites" (your term) you noted are not ranked because they do not have dedicated undergrad business department (see no listing for Dartmouth, Harvard, Brown, Princeton, Columbia, Cal, Chicago, MIT,  Stanford, Northwestern, Williams, Amherst, etc.) all of which pack grads in successful business careers.
Poets&Quants For Undergrads - Wharton Again Tops Poets&Quants' Best Undergraduate Business School Rankings (poetsandquantsforundergrads.com)

Please understand that I am not trivializing St. John's position in the "Poets & Quants" rankings, it is something to be proud of but it is unfair to count St. John's at this point of time as an "elite".
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Agree it is not elite, but Otis, let's be fair - five years ago would you ever have expected our business school to be ranked in the top 40 of any such poll.  Not elite, but very good.
 
And this from US News:

We moved up 44 spaces in online MBA programs.   Dean Sharpe has Tobin on the move.

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