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docbutler

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I'd also like to comment regarding the public beating we took all season. regarding our pre-Big East schedule It's about time that someone cleared this up because it was a travesty! For me, that entire issue was vastly exaggerated by a couple of media sports casters. One guy said it, and then other people repeated it because it "was what they heard". I'm not saying there wasn't some easy games on our schedule. Some of them we play from years of tradition. But most every team in America has their share of cream-puffs in the early part of their season.  Is this not true? Everyone knows that a national ranking is tough if you go out and play a slew of games against top ten clubs...particularly on the road. To clarify this issue I submit the following aspects of our early line-up. These teams were not guaranteed wins by any means and hardly clarify as cream puffs.

Rutgers- A Big Ten school- They beat Iowa, Minnesota, Ohio St., Indiana, and Nebraska. WE BEAT THEM BY 20!
Georgia Tech- An ACC school- They beat North Carolina St., Boston College, Pitt, Notre Dame, & Syracuse by 14.
Bowling Green - They beat Buffalo...the NCAA 3 Seed!
Princeton- Beat Metro champs (NCAA) Iona, U Penn (twice) and ARIZONA ST!
VCU - An NCAA team still playing- They beat St Louis, Iona, St. Bonaventure by 30, and Wichita St.
Duke- No description necessary...and we played them at Cameron Indoor.

Was this the best pre-conference schedule of any team in the country?...NO!. But it hardly qualifies as an example of a school who completely padded their pre-conference games. It's just another example of the apparent screwing being targeted at St. John's. Did we fail to make contributions to the NCAA Golden Parachute Fund....or the Referees Bahama Retirement Plan? I don't know. It felt like it. I didn't hear any of these jackass commentators point out that
St. John's had a conference game completely STOLEN from them. And that as a result, instead of finishing third in the conference, we were relegated to the extra game in the BIG East Tournament.....and also a much lower seed at the NCAA tournament. No one said that Seton Hall stole our spot. So I urge you....let's not self-flaggulate over some imaginary poor early schedule. It just feeds into propaganda that ignores the screwing we already tolerated...and along with it, the inferences that we didn't earn our spot in the "Dance".
the inferences that we didn't earn our spot in the Big Dance.
 
[quote="docbutler" post=334546]I'd also like to comment regarding the public beating we took all season. regarding our pre-Big East schedule It's about time that someone cleared this up because it was a travesty! For me, that entire issue was vastly exaggerated by a couple of media sports casters. One guy said it, and then other people repeated it because it "was what they heard". I'm not saying there wasn't some easy games on our schedule. Some of them we play from years of tradition. But most every team in America has their share of cream-puffs in the early part of their season.  Is this not true? Everyone knows that a national ranking is tough if you go out and play a slew of games against top ten clubs...particularly on the road. To clarify this issue I submit the following aspects of our early line-up. These teams were not guaranteed wins by any means and hardly clarify as cream puffs.

Rutgers- A Big Ten school- They beat Iowa, Minnesota, Ohio St., Indiana, and Nebraska. WE BEAT THEM BY 20!
Georgia Tech- An ACC school- They beat North Carolina St., Boston College, Pitt, Notre Dame, & Syracuse by 14.
Bowling Green - They beat Buffalo...the NCAA 3 Seed!
Princeton- Beat Metro champs (NCAA) Iona, U Penn (twice) and ARIZONA ST!
VCU - An NCAA team still playing- They beat St Louis, Iona, St. Bonaventure by 30, and Wichita St.
Duke- No description necessary...and we played them at Cameron Indoor.

Was this the best pre-conference schedule of any team in the country?...NO!. But it hardly qualifies as an example of a school who completely padded their pre-conference games. It's just another example of the apparent screwing being targeted at St. John's. Did we fail to make contributions to the NCAA Golden Parachute Fund....or the Referees Bahama Retirement Plan? I don't know. It felt like it. I didn't hear any of these jackass commentators point out that
St. John's had a conference game completely STOLEN from them. And that as a result, instead of finishing third in the conference, we were relegated to the extra game in the BIG East Tournament.....and also a much lower seed at the NCAA tournament. No one said that Seton Hall stole our spot. So I urge you....let's not self-flaggulate over some imaginary poor early schedule. It just feeds into propaganda that ignores the screwing we already tolerated...and along with it, the inferences that we didn't earn our spot in the "Dance".
the inferences that we didn't earn our spot in the Big Dance.[/quote]
And the early season tourney matchups are out of our control.
 
Vast right wing conspiracy against St. John's or is it left wing? Whatever all I know is the whole world is out to get us. Anything about LeRon Ellis?
 
Great analysis! The problem is as the season went on our coaching or lack of was exposed. This team regressed as the season went on. To me it looked like there was a club house problem but I am just speculating on that. We didnt have the 50/50 ball fight that Norm teams had. I hate to say it but Norm had no talent and ran good sets, they played with more discipline, they just didnt have the talent. Mullin has had more talent and we play no sets, and with no discipline
 
Doc,
I don't always agree with your conclusions but everything you write is pretty well thought out and I enjoy reading it. Thanks for posting again.
 
Forty years ago SJU would play a small number of games vs teams rated 250 or lower and have very little trouble running up a thirty point lead allowing the bench players some five or six minutes of playing time.
At some point the admissions policy for student athletes got much easier and there are skilled basketball players making up the rosters of teams even in those teams below the top 250. The old cupcakes are much tougher competition nowadays.
 
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