D1 Transfer Waiver Work Group

Dana O’Neil

NCAA appears to be coming to its senses and will likely allow immediate transfers as soon as the start of next year. I wrote about the joke that is the waiver process earlier. I know coaches fear free agency, but it's already here.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=377914]Dana O’Neil

NCAA appears to be coming to its senses and will likely allow immediate transfers as soon as the start of next year. I wrote about the joke that is the waiver process earlier. I know coaches fear free agency, but it's already here.[/quote]

Can someone check in on Matt. I'm worried about his health after such momentous news.
 
Good news for student athletes I suppose, but will further widen the gap btwn the “haves” and “have nots.” Dont see it as a positive for our program.
 
I think this is a bad move for the NCAA. As another article I read suggested, and it may have already been brought up on here, what's going to prevent schools from recruiting players that are already on another team? Say Earlington develops into a double-double guy by the end of his junior year. All of a sudden Duke gives him a call and says, "hey, come play for us for your senior year." He would be immediately eligible and could play from day 1. So he transfers. Is that right?

Here's the bigger issue. What does this resolution do or say about midseason transfers? Should they be immediately eligible for the 2nd semester? Or do they have to wait until the following season(which still requires them to sit out some time).

I'll use Cole Anthony from UNC as an example. He's going to be a one and done player. On Dec 15, UNC was 6-4. At that point, their chances of making the tournament were very much up in the air (and unless a miracle happens now, they will not make it this year). His only goal coming into college was to play in the NCAA tournament. That's not going to happen at UNC. So what is going to prevent him from transferring to a Kentucky or a Duke before the 2nd semester and being immediately eligible? So theoretically, he could start the season at UNC, and end up winning a national championship with another team? Personally, I don't like the thought of that.
 
I don't see what all the fuss is about. There is rampant tampering going on now so being worried about it under a new system seems to be a waste of time to me.

This isn't complicated.
Give everyone one free transfer (out of conference) with no loss of eligibility or having to sit out.
They can't go into the transfer portal until their season is over.
The transfer portal closes with the late signing period.
If you don't transfer in that window you are committed to your current school for the following year, unless you want to sit out at a new school or go D2 or JUCO.
Any program contacting players (families, friends, coaches etc) who are not in the portal gets a 5 year post season ban per offense and the staff involved get a lifetime ban from college hoops.

fixed...lets move on.
 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=377999]I don't see what all the fuss is about. There is rampant tampering going on now so being worried about it under a new system seems to be a waste of time to me.

This isn't complicated.
Give everyone one free transfer (out of conference) with no loss of eligibility or having to sit out.
They can't go into the transfer portal until their season is over.
The transfer portal closes with the late signing period.
If you don't transfer in that window you are committed to your current school for the following year, unless you want to sit out at a new school or go D2 or JUCO.
Any program contacting players (families, friends, coaches etc) who are not in the portal gets a 5 year post season ban per offense and the staff involved get a lifetime ban from college hoops.

fixed...lets move on.[/quote]

If only it were that simple. If this is implemented, I suspect the transfer rate will increase dramatically to the detriment of mid-majors and schools like ours.

This may be the right thing for the kids, but it will have severe negative ramifications on “less prominent” programs.
 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=377999]I don't see what all the fuss is about. There is rampant tampering going on now so being worried about it under a new system seems to be a waste of time to me.

This isn't complicated.
Give everyone one free transfer (out of conference) with no loss of eligibility or having to sit out.
They can't go into the transfer portal until their season is over.
The transfer portal closes with the late signing period.
If you don't transfer in that window you are committed to your current school for the following year, unless you want to sit out at a new school or go D2 or JUCO.
Any program contacting players (families, friends, coaches etc) who are not in the portal gets a 5 year post season ban per offense and the staff involved get a lifetime ban from college hoops.

fixed...lets move on.[/quote]

Good process but the last one would never fly. And change current tampering to outright recruitment, eventually some schools will change from recruiting high schools to recruiting colleges pretty much exclusively. Let the turmoil begin.........
 
[quote="Logen" post=378029][quote="SJUFAN2" post=377999]I don't see what all the fuss is about. There is rampant tampering going on now so being worried about it under a new system seems to be a waste of time to me.

This isn't complicated.
Give everyone one free transfer (out of conference) with no loss of eligibility or having to sit out.
They can't go into the transfer portal until their season is over.
The transfer portal closes with the late signing period.
If you don't transfer in that window you are committed to your current school for the following year, unless you want to sit out at a new school or go D2 or JUCO.
Any program contacting players (families, friends, coaches etc) who are not in the portal gets a 5 year post season ban per offense and the staff involved get a lifetime ban from college hoops.

fixed...lets move on.[/quote]

Good process but the last one would never fly. And change current tampering to outright recruitment, eventually some schools will change from recruiting high schools to recruiting colleges pretty much exclusively. Let the turmoil begin.........[/quote]
Well if that happens at least we know who to blame...rhymes with loose. :)
 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=377999]I don't see what all the fuss is about. There is rampant tampering going on now so being worried about it under a new system seems to be a waste of time to me.

This isn't complicated.
Give everyone one free transfer (out of conference) with no loss of eligibility or having to sit out.
They can't go into the transfer portal until their season is over.
The transfer portal closes with the late signing period.
If you don't transfer in that window you are committed to your current school for the following year, unless you want to sit out at a new school or go D2 or JUCO.
Any program contacting players (families, friends, coaches etc) who are not in the portal gets a 5 year post season ban per offense and the staff involved get a lifetime ban from college hoops.

fixed...lets move on.[/quote]

You are trying to over-simplify a really complicated matter, and I don't think it's as easy as you suggest.

First of all, would your proposal allow for any exceptions? Or is it set in stone....those are the rules, no exceptions? If exceptions are permitted, they will run into the same issues they have now.

You said you wanted a stipulation that the transfer portal should close with the late signing period, and I am assuming you are referring to what the NCAA calls the "regular" period (the early period was from 11/13/2019-11/20/2019, and the regular period is from April 15, 2020-May 20, 2020). So what you are suggesting is that players have roughly a 2 month window to transfer without having to sit out a year? If they choose to transfer outside of that time frame, they must sit out for a year.

So what happens when there is a scenario where a basketball player finishes the school year, and has every intention of returning the following year. Then in the middle of summer (or at any point after the late signing period), he gets the news that one of his parents is terminally ill. He obviously wants to transfer to be closer to his dying parent. It's basically the family hardship waiver. How would you handle that?

What you are suggesting is that because these events occurred after the late signing period, that player must either fulfill his commitment to his current school, or transfer and sit out the following year? To me, that doesn't seem right.
 
I see this as potentially working against programs like St. John's. Just another pathway for the rich to get richer.
 
[quote="Eric Williamson" post=378035][quote="SJUFAN2" post=377999]I don't see what all the fuss is about. There is rampant tampering going on now so being worried about it under a new system seems to be a waste of time to me.

This isn't complicated.
Give everyone one free transfer (out of conference) with no loss of eligibility or having to sit out.
They can't go into the transfer portal until their season is over.
The transfer portal closes with the late signing period.
If you don't transfer in that window you are committed to your current school for the following year, unless you want to sit out at a new school or go D2 or JUCO.
Any program contacting players (families, friends, coaches etc) who are not in the portal gets a 5 year post season ban per offense and the staff involved get a lifetime ban from college hoops.

fixed...lets move on.[/quote]

You are trying to over-simplify a really complicated matter, and I don't think it's as easy as you suggest.

First of all, would your proposal allow for any exceptions? Or is it set in stone....those are the rules, no exceptions? If exceptions are permitted, they will run into the same issues they have now.

You said you wanted a stipulation that the transfer portal should close with the late signing period, and I am assuming you are referring to what the NCAA calls the "regular" period (the early period was from 11/13/2019-11/20/2019, and the regular period is from April 15, 2020-May 20, 2020). So what you are suggesting is that players have roughly a 2 month window to transfer without having to sit out a year? If they choose to transfer outside of that time frame, they must sit out for a year.

So what happens when there is a scenario where a basketball player finishes the school year, and has every intention of returning the following year. Then in the middle of summer (or at any point after the late signing period), he gets the news that one of his parents is terminally ill. He obviously wants to transfer to be closer to his dying parent. It's basically the family hardship waiver. How would you handle that?

What you are suggesting is that because these events occurred after the late signing period, that player must either fulfill his commitment to his current school, or transfer and sit out the following year? To me, that doesn't seem right.[/quote]

No exceptions for illnesses. If your family needs you under those circumstances, you shouldn't be in school or play ball any way. Go tend to your family and then go back when you are ready.

Commitment is a two way street. When a kid commits to a program and they stop recruiting other players they shouldn't get hosed if a kid decides to leave. It needs to happen in a timeframe that allows BOTH parties the opportunity to benefit from the move.

Two exceptions or additions to the process I'd probably build into the process would be a 2nd move as a grad transfer and if a school fired a coach after the transfer window had closed.
 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=378052][quote="Eric Williamson" post=378035][quote="SJUFAN2" post=377999]I don't see what all the fuss is about. There is rampant tampering going on now so being worried about it under a new system seems to be a waste of time to me.

This isn't complicated.
Give everyone one free transfer (out of conference) with no loss of eligibility or having to sit out.
They can't go into the transfer portal until their season is over.
The transfer portal closes with the late signing period.
If you don't transfer in that window you are committed to your current school for the following year, unless you want to sit out at a new school or go D2 or JUCO.
Any program contacting players (families, friends, coaches etc) who are not in the portal gets a 5 year post season ban per offense and the staff involved get a lifetime ban from college hoops.

fixed...lets move on.[/quote]

You are trying to over-simplify a really complicated matter, and I don't think it's as easy as you suggest.

First of all, would your proposal allow for any exceptions? Or is it set in stone....those are the rules, no exceptions? If exceptions are permitted, they will run into the same issues they have now.

You said you wanted a stipulation that the transfer portal should close with the late signing period, and I am assuming you are referring to what the NCAA calls the "regular" period (the early period was from 11/13/2019-11/20/2019, and the regular period is from April 15, 2020-May 20, 2020). So what you are suggesting is that players have roughly a 2 month window to transfer without having to sit out a year? If they choose to transfer outside of that time frame, they must sit out for a year.

So what happens when there is a scenario where a basketball player finishes the school year, and has every intention of returning the following year. Then in the middle of summer (or at any point after the late signing period), he gets the news that one of his parents is terminally ill. He obviously wants to transfer to be closer to his dying parent. It's basically the family hardship waiver. How would you handle that?

What you are suggesting is that because these events occurred after the late signing period, that player must either fulfill his commitment to his current school, or transfer and sit out the following year? To me, that doesn't seem right.[/quote]

No exceptions for illnesses. If your family needs you under those circumstances, you shouldn't be in school or play ball any way. Go tend to your family and then go back when you are ready.

Commitment is a two way street. When a kid commits to a program and they stop recruiting other players they shouldn't get hosed if a kid decides to leave. It needs to happen in a timeframe that allows BOTH parties the opportunity to benefit from the move.

Two exceptions or additions to the process I'd probably build into the process would be a 2nd move as a grad transfer and if a school fired a coach after the transfer window had closed.[/quote]

Well I pray and hope that you or any member of your family never have to be in a situation where you have a severely ill relative. Your "oh well, it's one or the other....either your family or school/work" mentality is a shame.

Often times, when players/coaches/assistants are dealing such situations at home, they look to their sport as sort of a way to get away from everything. The 3hrs at a practice or a game is their opportunity to have nothing else to worry about; it is a little bit of a break from reality.

To imply that a player should have to choose between school/athletics and being there for his family is just ignorant. "If your family needs you under those circumstances, you shouldn't be in school or play ball any way."
What you are saying is that every person who has a dying family member should give up school, their careers, or whatever else so that they can care for and be there for that person. So a player couldn't or shouldn't be able to go to practice for three hours, go to class for 5 hours, and still be available to help care for their family member? It's one of the other? Makes zero sense.
 
The dynamics of sports in general, for this discussion CBB specifically, makes the “wait til next year” mentality meaningless. The handpicked poaching of players by the “haves” will become rampant IMO, with rosters eventually being put together almost on the fly year to year.
 
To expect any rule to be followed by the cesspool of college coaching staffs is pure folly. About 349 out of 350 college coaching staffs would be contacting players they wanted long before any names were allowed to be put in the transfer portal.
Better to just allow the transfers without placing any restrictions on college coaches staffs.
 
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