Cost of College in N.J.

[jerseyshorejohnny]

http://www.nj.com/education/2014/08...ions_at_4-year_colleges_continue_to_rise.html

 

[beast of the east]

http://www.nj.com/education/2014/08/how_much_does_it_cost_to_go_to_college_in_nj_tuitions_at_4-year_colleges_continue_to_rise.html

My bill for this year - $62,840 as far as I can see, not including books, and all the extras that you fork over.

Raising tuition and fees at a rate faster than CPI is immoral as far as I'm concerned. In NJ, the increase ranges from 1.3 to 4.7%, with a couple of colleges holding the line. Colleges have been operating on a supply and demand basis for years and year, with increases averaging 8% per year over an extended period. As long as there are enough qualified applicants to fill seats, tuition will be raised at a rate higher than inflation.

If you do not believe that colleges and universities are businesses with a "profit" incentive, just look at the endowments of colleges. Some are in the billions of dollars, and most moderate sized universities are in the hundreds of millions. Administrations become like big government, using increased tuition like increased taxes. The excesses seem trivial, like lavish trips, a chauferred driver for your Audi, living off campus even if you are a priest, zero interest loans, and paying unqualified high level administrators salaries nearly $500K per year.

Of course we know that I am referring to our own university, and hope is that Bobby cleans this up quickly, and does not think of himself as a "CEO", but as an educator trying to provide the best education at a reasonable cost. Many of our own BOT members have been upset in recent years that SJU continued to raise tuition above the rate of inflation. Many of us attended SJU when it was the near or at the lowest private education to be found in the entire region. It would be great if Bobby can improve the academic profile of SJU while holding the line on tuition. Of course to do that, alumni have to be more generous than we've been collectively

 

[MarkRedman]

In my retired life, I do college admissions work on a part time basis
I was told that it is less expensive for a NJ student to go to a SUNY school and pay out of state tuition than to attend Rutgers
I'm not sure if I would be more upset at NJ for being too expensive or at NY for charging so little for out of state kids
A NY kid would probably pay more than double to attend Rutgers as opposed to a SUNY school

 

[Andrew]

In my retired life, I do college admissions work on a part time basis
I was told that it is less expensive for a NJ student to go to a SUNY school and pay out of state tuition than to attend Rutgers
I'm not sure if I would be more upset at NJ for being too expensive or at NY for charging so little for out of state kids
A NY kid would probably pay more than double to attend Rutgers as opposed to a SUNY school

I did some research and it would cost a NJ student 36-38k all in to attend Binghamton or Stony Brook. It would cost a NY student about 24k. It would cost a NJ student about 26K to attend Big Ten Rutgers and a NY student about 41k. Pretty close actually. When it comes to the cost of college, it is so overwhelming for families of 4 with modest incomes (100-200K) that people can't even keep track.

 

[austour]

In my retired life, I do college admissions work on a part time basis
I was told that it is less expensive for a NJ student to go to a SUNY school and pay out of state tuition than to attend Rutgers
I'm not sure if I would be more upset at NJ for being too expensive or at NY for charging so little for out of state kids
A NY kid would probably pay more than double to attend Rutgers as opposed to a SUNY school

SUNY's are very well priced. I was surprised when a buddy of mine told me his daughter got enough aid from University of Orgegon to make it similar in price to a U of C. Same type of situation but U of O is $42K out of state Tuition and Housing/Meals, U of C's just $25.7K.

 

[MarkRedman]

In my retired life, I do college admissions work on a part time basis
I was told that it is less expensive for a NJ student to go to a SUNY school and pay out of state tuition than to attend Rutgers
I'm not sure if I would be more upset at NJ for being too expensive or at NY for charging so little for out of state kids
A NY kid would probably pay more than double to attend Rutgers as opposed to a SUNY school

I did some research and it would cost a NJ student 36-38k all in to attend Binghamton or Stony Brook. It would cost a NY student about 24k. It would cost a NJ student about 26K to attend Big Ten Rutgers and a NY student about 41k. Pretty close actually. When it comes to the cost of college, it is so overwhelming for families of 4 with modest incomes (100-200K) that people can't even keep track.

I worked for a SUNY school from the fall 2006 semester through the spring 2012 semester
At that time, it was about 18K to go there. Hard to believe that it went up so much in the past two years
What really amazes me is that you feel that 100-200K is a modest income
That may be true in the greater NY metro area
But I would think that less than 10% of the rest the nation makes that type of living
Or, am I living under a rock and out of touch with reality?

 

[monte]

22K for tuition/room/board is total amount for my kid to SUNY Albany. He's got $7,500.00 per year in student loans and a few grand in aid. Totally manageable. Unfortunately at the same time I am paying the full amount for my daughter to attend a private High School in NYC. Graduation(she's a junior) day can't come soon enough.

 

[MarkRedman]

In my retired life, I do college admissions work on a part time basis
I was told that it is less expensive for a NJ student to go to a SUNY school and pay out of state tuition than to attend Rutgers
I'm not sure if I would be more upset at NJ for being too expensive or at NY for charging so little for out of state kids
A NY kid would probably pay more than double to attend Rutgers as opposed to a SUNY school

SUNY's are very well priced. I was surprised when a buddy of mine told me his daughter got enough aid from University of Orgegon to make it similar in price to a U of C. Same type of situation but U of O is $42K out of state Tuition and Housing/Meals, U of C's just $25.7K.

SUNY schools offer a great bang for the buck
While most of the schools are good, the university centers are outstanding
Too many NYers overlook them as being quality academic institutions and consider them primarily because of the "low" cost
For example, many people on Long Island do not give Stony Brook the credit it deserves for being a fine academic school

 

[monte]

In my retired life, I do college admissions work on a part time basis
I was told that it is less expensive for a NJ student to go to a SUNY school and pay out of state tuition than to attend Rutgers
I'm not sure if I would be more upset at NJ for being too expensive or at NY for charging so little for out of state kids
A NY kid would probably pay more than double to attend Rutgers as opposed to a SUNY school

SUNY's are very well priced. I was surprised when a buddy of mine told me his daughter got enough aid from University of Orgegon to make it similar in price to a U of C. Same type of situation but U of O is $42K out of state Tuition and Housing/Meals, U of C's just $25.7K.

SUNY schools offer a great bang for the buck
While most of the schools are good, the university centers are outstanding
Too many NYers overlook them as being quality academic institutions and consider them primarily because of the "low" cost

So do CUNYs: Queens, Brooklyn, Hunter, Baruch, John Jay, etc. And gaining admission is no longer a slam dunk.

 

[MarkRedman]

In my retired life, I do college admissions work on a part time basis
I was told that it is less expensive for a NJ student to go to a SUNY school and pay out of state tuition than to attend Rutgers
I'm not sure if I would be more upset at NJ for being too expensive or at NY for charging so little for out of state kids
A NY kid would probably pay more than double to attend Rutgers as opposed to a SUNY school

SUNY's are very well priced. I was surprised when a buddy of mine told me his daughter got enough aid from University of Orgegon to make it similar in price to a U of C. Same type of situation but U of O is $42K out of state Tuition and Housing/Meals, U of C's just $25.7K.

SUNY schools offer a great bang for the buck
While most of the schools are good, the university centers are outstanding
Too many NYers overlook them as being quality academic institutions and consider them primarily because of the "low" cost

So do CUNYs: Queens, Brooklyn, Hunter, Baruch, John Jay, etc. And gaining admission is no longer a slam dunk.

When I graduated from Bayside HS in 1968, CUNY was just starting "open enrollment"
They guaranteed NYC kids a spot somewhere in the CUNY system
Where you were placed was based upon your requests and academic performance
Back then, you needed an 80% average to get into Queensborough CC and a 90% for Queens College
It was highly competitive back then and I know that it still is pretty competitive today
I graduated with a few kids that couldn't get into Queensborough CC and ended up going to St John's

 

[monte]

In my retired life, I do college admissions work on a part time basis
I was told that it is less expensive for a NJ student to go to a SUNY school and pay out of state tuition than to attend Rutgers
I'm not sure if I would be more upset at NJ for being too expensive or at NY for charging so little for out of state kids
A NY kid would probably pay more than double to attend Rutgers as opposed to a SUNY school

SUNY's are very well priced. I was surprised when a buddy of mine told me his daughter got enough aid from University of Orgegon to make it similar in price to a U of C. Same type of situation but U of O is $42K out of state Tuition and Housing/Meals, U of C's just $25.7K.

SUNY schools offer a great bang for the buck
While most of the schools are good, the university centers are outstanding
Too many NYers overlook them as being quality academic institutions and consider them primarily because of the "low" cost

So do CUNYs: Queens, Brooklyn, Hunter, Baruch, John Jay, etc. And gaining admission is no longer a slam dunk.

When I graduated from Bayside HS in 1968, CUNY was just starting "open enrollment"
They guaranteed NYC kids a spot somewhere in the CUNY system
Where you were placed was based upon your requests and academic performance
Back then, you needed an 80% average to get into Queensborough CC and a 90% for Queens College
It was highly competitive back then and I know that it still is pretty competitive today
I graduated with a few kids that couldn't get into Queensborough CC and ended up going to St John's

Didn't realize that they were difficult to get in to back then. Have to assume admission in to St. Johns is still much easier today than both city and state schools.

 

[MainMan]

You think college is bad? I could send my 1 1/2 year old to Rutgers for what I pay yearly for daycare.

 

[mjmaherjr]

You think college is bad? I could send my 1 1/2 year old to Rutgers for what I pay yearly for daycare.

Kranmars was telling me a couple of years ago what he was paying and I was stunned. A friend of mine's wife quit her job after having their last kid and is now doing daycare for a couple of other kids which works great so she can do her own at the same time.

Mind boggling what it costs

 

[austour]

In my retired life, I do college admissions work on a part time basis
I was told that it is less expensive for a NJ student to go to a SUNY school and pay out of state tuition than to attend Rutgers
I'm not sure if I would be more upset at NJ for being too expensive or at NY for charging so little for out of state kids
A NY kid would probably pay more than double to attend Rutgers as opposed to a SUNY school

I did some research and it would cost a NJ student 36-38k all in to attend Binghamton or Stony Brook. It would cost a NY student about 24k. It would cost a NJ student about 26K to attend Big Ten Rutgers and a NY student about 41k. Pretty close actually. When it comes to the cost of college, it is so overwhelming for families of 4 with modest incomes (100-200K) that people can't even keep track.

I worked for a SUNY school from the fall 2006 semester through the spring 2012 semester
At that time, it was about 18K to go there. Hard to believe that it went up so much in the past two years
What really amazes me is that you feel that 100-200K is a modest income
That may be true in the greater NY metro area
But I would think that less than 10% of the rest the nation makes that type of living
Or, am I living under a rock and out of touch with reality?

I think modest is relative based on cost of living where you are. However financial aid provisions don't seem to take that into account. Most schools don't offer any aid to families with HHI's over $150K regardless of where you live but $150K in Tulsa is very different than $150K in LA or NY.

 

[beast of the east]

In my retired life, I do college admissions work on a part time basis
I was told that it is less expensive for a NJ student to go to a SUNY school and pay out of state tuition than to attend Rutgers
I'm not sure if I would be more upset at NJ for being too expensive or at NY for charging so little for out of state kids
A NY kid would probably pay more than double to attend Rutgers as opposed to a SUNY school

I did some research and it would cost a NJ student 36-38k all in to attend Binghamton or Stony Brook. It would cost a NY student about 24k. It would cost a NJ student about 26K to attend Big Ten Rutgers and a NY student about 41k. Pretty close actually. When it comes to the cost of college, it is so overwhelming for families of 4 with modest incomes (100-200K) that people can't even keep track.

SUNY Binghamton and Stony Brook are two very good schools, state system or not. Stony Brook is a world class science research facility and the campus has been upgraded substantially over the last dozen years or so after years of neglect. SUNY schools have seen applications skyrocketing over the past 6 years since the near collapse of our economy, and the admission requirements have commensurately increased. SUNY in general compares favorably to other state systems in the US, and that's no longer a secret.