Committed Players Who Don't Qualify

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qcredman

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I need to get something offf my chest. It has to do with players who commit to a university, fail to qualify and then look elsewhere. If I had committed to a university and then failed to meet the standards to qualify whose fault would it be? I should think mine. The university had guaranteed me an education, a place to play and a secure future for the next four years or so. They had allocated resources for me, stopped pursuing other players who may have served a similar function and factored me into their plans for a successful basketball team. All I had to do was to make sure that i qualified to play - which i failed to do.

That being the case as I set out to rectify my situation the last thing in the world on my mind would be to turn my back on the people I had let down and seek another venue which - on second thought - might suit me better. I would be looking to join the team i had committed to as soon as possible and make them glad that they had placed their faith in me and anxious to show them that they had made a good choice.

Is there anyone else around who still thinks this way?
 
I need to get something offf my chest. It has to do with players who commit to a university, fail to qualify and then look elsewhere. If I had committed to a university and then failed to meet the standards to qualify whose fault would it be? I should think mine. The university had guaranteed me an education, a place to play and a secure future for the next four years or so. They had allocated resources for me, stopped pursuing other players who may have served a similar function and factored me into their plans for a successful basketball team. All I had to do was to make sure that i qualified to play - which i failed to do.

That being the case as I set out to rectify my situation the last thing in the world on my mind would be to turn my back on the people I had let down and seek another venue which - on second thought - might suit me better. I would be looking to join the team i had committed to as soon as possible and make them glad that they had placed their faith in me and anxious to show them that they had made a good choice.

Is there anyone else around who still thinks this way?
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Let me play devils advocate. There has to be some form of embarrassment in not qualifying. I'm sure there are some who want a fresh start in that regard.
 
But if you are not qualifying via the NCAA then I am not sure how the embarrassment goes away because you go to ANOTHER school a year later. That school is presumably another NCAA school and is subject to the same NCAA Eligiblity Center that SJU or another member is as well.

To me if Pelle ends up at SDSU it is not so much embarrassment but simply the ineligibility became a convenient excuse to go back home. 
 
I need to get something offf my chest. It has to do with players who commit to a university, fail to qualify and then look elsewhere. If I had committed to a university and then failed to meet the standards to qualify whose fault would it be? I should think mine. The university had guaranteed me an education, a place to play and a secure future for the next four years or so. They had allocated resources for me, stopped pursuing other players who may have served a similar function and factored me into their plans for a successful basketball team. All I had to do was to make sure that i qualified to play - which i failed to do.

That being the case as I set out to rectify my situation the last thing in the world on my mind would be to turn my back on the people I had let down and seek another venue which - on second thought - might suit me better. I would be looking to join the team i had committed to as soon as possible and make them glad that they had placed their faith in me and anxious to show them that they had made a good choice.

Is there anyone else around who still thinks this way?
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I totally agree with you. i say do away with verbal commitments and have more extensive signing periods. Because clearly these kid's words mean nothing.
 
Very cutthroat situation both ways really. Plus remember, many of these kids are used to quitting teams and jumping to new ones, either in high / prep schools or in AAU. It really is js a way of life now and just part of the game. Players obviously don't pick schools, they pick coaches or situations and when circumstances change so do their minds many times; IMO Polee and his Dad are a great example of that. I am frankly more surprised by Garrett's loyalty to SJU (which I think is fantastic) than I am at Pelle and Sampson looking elsewhere.
 
Doing away with verbal commitments is immaterial. They are essentially another media creation, like Sarah Palin, and just as useless. They're not worth the paper they're not written on so they're not part of the problem.

Only solution is to make LOI's binding for 2 years. That's it. If not kids are gong to play within and usually at the edges of the rules as the NCAA writes them up.

Funny though, a few short years ago if a kid was in the same position and wanted to return to STJ the following year he'd have been told he wasn't allowed to and before that if a kid could go to one school as a partial qualifier BE schools wouldn't let them do the same on their esteemed campuses. As Logen said at different times this situation has cut both ways.
 
I need to get something offf my chest. It has to do with players who commit to a university, fail to qualify and then look elsewhere. If I had committed to a university and then failed to meet the standards to qualify whose fault would it be? I should think mine. The university had guaranteed me an education, a place to play and a secure future for the next four years or so. They had allocated resources for me, stopped pursuing other players who may have served a similar function and factored me into their plans for a successful basketball team. All I had to do was to make sure that i qualified to play - which i failed to do.

That being the case as I set out to rectify my situation the last thing in the world on my mind would be to turn my back on the people I had let down and seek another venue which - on second thought - might suit me better. I would be looking to join the team i had committed to as soon as possible and make them glad that they had placed their faith in me and anxious to show them that they had made a good choice.

Is there anyone else around who still thinks this way?
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I follow your thinking Also I keep hearing they are kids they change their minds. Most of the are over 18yrs old unless you are tageting sophs and jrs. In any event they are old enough and get enough help on ther chioce to make an educated .decision. They are all old enough understand a mans word is a strong indication of character and they should standby it unless they were deceived,or a coaching change etc
 
I need to get something offf my chest. It has to do with players who commit to a university, fail to qualify and then look elsewhere. If I had committed to a university and then failed to meet the standards to qualify whose fault would it be? I should think mine. The university had guaranteed me an education, a place to play and a secure future for the next four years or so. They had allocated resources for me, stopped pursuing other players who may have served a similar function and factored me into their plans for a successful basketball team. All I had to do was to make sure that i qualified to play - which i failed to do.

That being the case as I set out to rectify my situation the last thing in the world on my mind would be to turn my back on the people I had let down and seek another venue which - on second thought - might suit me better. I would be looking to join the team i had committed to as soon as possible and make them glad that they had placed their faith in me and anxious to show them that they had made a good choice.

Is there anyone else around who still thinks this way?
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You can't put 100% of the blame on the players.....while they are the largest part of it, they are not the only ones at fault. Where are the parents, teachers, advisors, and even universities? Look at our 3 ineligible players whose summer classes weren't accepted. Can you tell me why their parents and advisors aren't making sure they are taking the necessary classes? And where was Lavin and Co. during all of this? You would think they would make sure that the players were taking the right classes....

As far them turning their backs on the university...I wouldn't really use those words. They did not have any legal obligation to the university at all..they simply just changed their mind. It's how the real word operates. People change jobs and careers all the time. It's about doing what you feel is in your best interest for the long run. And by them not qualifying, maybe they felt that their teachers, advisors, and the university let them down and turned their backs on them....
 
I need to get something offf my chest. It has to do with players who commit to a university, fail to qualify and then look elsewhere. If I had committed to a university and then failed to meet the standards to qualify whose fault would it be? I should think mine. The university had guaranteed me an education, a place to play and a secure future for the next four years or so. They had allocated resources for me, stopped pursuing other players who may have served a similar function and factored me into their plans for a successful basketball team. All I had to do was to make sure that i qualified to play - which i failed to do.

That being the case as I set out to rectify my situation the last thing in the world on my mind would be to turn my back on the people I had let down and seek another venue which - on second thought - might suit me better. I would be looking to join the team i had committed to as soon as possible and make them glad that they had placed their faith in me and anxious to show them that they had made a good choice.

Is there anyone else around who still thinks this way?
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You can't put 100% of the blame on the players.....while they are the largest part of it, they are not the only ones at fault. Where are the parents, teachers, advisors, and even universities? Look at our 3 ineligible players whose summer classes weren't accepted. Can you tell me why their parents and advisors aren't making sure they are taking the necessary classes? And where was Lavin and Co. during all of this? You would think they would make sure that the players were taking the right classes....

As far them turning their backs on the university...I wouldn't really use those words. They did not have any legal obligation to the university at all..they simply just changed their mind. It's how the real word operates. People change jobs and careers all the time. It's about doing what you feel is in your best interest for the long run. And by them not qualifying, maybe they felt that their teachers, advisors, and the university let them down and turned their backs on them....
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Some excellent points particularly in regard to the advice they were given (after not qualifying) about which courses to take - and I would add where they should be taken.

However, I was thinking about how they got into the position of not being qualified in the first place. I've assumed (perhaps wrongly) that their advisors had pointed them towards the courses they needed to qualify and they simply did not perform acceptably in those courses. That's their fault. I don't remember ever hearing any player say that he didn't qualify in the first place because his advisors at high school or prep school told him to take the wrong courses. I'm sure it's happened but i'll be it's rare.

I was talking about a moral (not legal) obligation since there is a ripple effect with each and every committment.
 
 I thought they were taking the right classes, but their grades were not validated by the NCAA. Being that I dont know the rules of this I dont know who this falls on. However, I do feel that if you have committed to a university(and both Pelle and Sampson were on campus) there should be loyalty by the player to the university. Why Pelle and Sampson decided to look else where is a decision that they thought was best for them. Garrett has shown his loyalty to us and will be a huge plus for him as an athlete and person.
 
Roughly 70% of ex NBA players go bankrupt within 5 years of leaving the league. That's after most of them have been exploited by some institution of higher learning playing for free for however long they stay. Not exactly the dream that so many of these wide eyed kids bring to campus. Throw in the lockout, the greed and all the other little horror stories and you have to wonder how basketball survives. I love the game though and would show up to watch a bunch of legit student athletes go at it. I'd also probably go to minor league games to watch talented kids play for reasonable pay. It works in baseball and it should in hoops too. The difference is the universities don't get paid for baseball like they do for hoops so the system will never change. Too bad the stars don't show some concern for the kids and counsel them about how to navigate through all the BS to their benefit. Sports careers are short and every year lost being ripped off is irreplaceable.  
 
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