College Coaches comment on how N$L has changed how they recruit players

Great article. Based on comments by Rick at various het togethers, this article is dead on in terms of placing an NIL value on a hs senior or even existing player.

Despite some common conjecture on here, Rick didn't fire an entire team. Some of the "asks" by existing roster players and incoming freshmen were so outlandish that there was no room for negotiation. It's clear by this article that this is a common experience, as well as placing a lower valuation on high school seniors than many are demanding.

It's interesting that consensus of the coaches interviewed is that the consideration of how an incoming freshman will help does not extend beyond 1 or 2 seasons in an NIL landscape.

It's really fascinating how the negotiating skills of the collective become as least as important as its fundraising ability, and how coaches realize how important the collective is to the process.

Almost certainly this means there will be a giant shakeout of collectives over the next 2-3 seasons. Sustaininable fund raising is a key component to this, but also is the ability to successfully negotiate with athletes, their patents, and handlers while working with coaches and staff. Many will realize this is a gigantic task, and the financial reward just isn't there right now for collectives representing basketball schools with only 1 revenue producing sport.
Additionally, corporate patrons as sources of NIL funding is more likely as sustainable sources. Individual private supporters as a source is a tougher road to sustain - even as individual support is critical until a corporate base is established.

Otis is among the most knowledgeable and smartest guys on here when it comes to NIL. Thanks for posting this. It may just be the most important article for fans to understand.
 
Sunday night past my sons McGill basketball team scrimmaged against Harvard and played them the following evening. Prior to the game he goes to look for a player whom he played against in Israel in 2022 who was on the Gold medal winning US Maccabia Team and was their best player. He was told the kid left Harvard because he wanted to go play at a power conference where he could get paid, he wanted to cash in while he could.
This was unthinkable a few years ago, who would ever leave Harvard where you are surrounded by future political leaders, Fortune 500 company CEOs, etc.
The NIL can be a fantastic tool for SJU because todays kids have such short term vision. They no longer care that our facilities are the worst in the BE, they care that they are getting well paid to ply their trade. If the NIL can be well supported at SJU the program will be turned around overnight. With Matt A leading the way we are in excellent hands.
 
redmannorth said:
Sunday night past my sons McGill basketball team scrimmaged against Harvard and played them the following evening. Prior to the game he goes to look for a player whom he played against in Israel in 2022 who was on the Gold medal winning US Maccabia Team and was their best player. He was told the kid left Harvard because he wanted to go play at a power conference where he could get paid, he wanted to cash in while he could.
This was unthinkable a few years ago, who would ever leave Harvard where you are surrounded by future political leaders, Fortune 500 company CEOs, etc.
The NIL can be a fantastic tool for SJU because todays kids have such short term vision. They no longer care that our facilities are the worst in the BE, they care that they are getting well paid to ply their trade. If the NIL can be well supported at SJU the program will be turned around overnight. With Matt A leading the way we are in excellent hands.
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Wally Sz turned down Harvard against his mom's strong wishes, telling her he'd never make the NBA if he went there. After signing a 70 million dollar nba deal with the Timberwolves, his mom laughed and said "I guess he was right."

McGill should play Harvard in "It's Academic"

As much a credential Harvard is, most kids amart enough to go there would do pretty damned well without Harvard. Athletes though do get a big bump on acceptance where a 1200 SAT might get you in if you are a great athlete.
 
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redmannorth said:
Sunday night past my sons McGill basketball team scrimmaged against Harvard and played them the following evening. Prior to the game he goes to look for a player whom he played against in Israel in 2022 who was on the Gold medal winning US Maccabia Team and was their best player. He was told the kid left Harvard because he wanted to go play at a power conference where he could get paid, he wanted to cash in while he could.
This was unthinkable a few years ago, who would ever leave Harvard where you are surrounded by future political leaders, Fortune 500 company CEOs, etc.
The NIL can be a fantastic tool for SJU because todays kids have such short term vision. They no longer care that our facilities are the worst in the BE, they care that they are getting well paid to ply their trade. If the NIL can be well supported at SJU the program will be turned around overnight. With Matt A leading the way we are in excellent hands.
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Your son not exactly a close follower of our program I see. ;) :giggle:
 
redmannorth said:
Who would ever leave Harvard where you are surrounded by future political leaders, Fortune 500 company CEOs, etc.
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Actually St John's has a fair number of CEOs and c-suite executives of small and major corporations, 2 governors of nys, police chiefs of nyc, and 2 current owners of mlb teams. Just sayin' but I agree with your point!
 
redmannorth said:
Sunday night past my sons McGill basketball team scrimmaged against Harvard and played them the following evening. Prior to the game he goes to look for a player whom he played against in Israel in 2022 who was on the Gold medal winning US Maccabia Team and was their best player. He was told the kid left Harvard because he wanted to go play at a power conference where he could get paid, he wanted to cash in while he could.
This was unthinkable a few years ago, who would ever leave Harvard where you are surrounded by future political leaders, Fortune 500 company CEOs, etc.
The NIL can be a fantastic tool for SJU because todays kids have such short term vision. They no longer care that our facilities are the worst in the BE, they care that they are getting well paid to ply their trade. If the NIL can be well supported at SJU the program will be turned around overnight. With Matt A leading the way we are in excellent hands.
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Very interesting info. Is that Sam Silverstein you are referring to? Please correct me if I am wrong, but I think he is still attending Harvard this year but sitting out the basketball season (which is his junior year) and then transferring after this year. I'm assuming it's because of some combination of it being easier for him to graduate in 3 years without the demands of being on the team this year and/or him wanting two years of eligibility/NIL to cash in on at a new program after he gets his Harvard degree but just conjecture on my part.

None of this takes away from your points, since a player like Silverstein wouldn't make a decision like this in the pre-NIL era, and I agree that choosing a school is an entirely new calculus for the players now with NIL and that a strong NIL collective could outweigh a lot of our prior disadvantages such as facilities.
 
To rmn's excellent point, when Dingle's dad contacted RP about his son's interedt in coming here, RIck advised for Dingle to stay put because a Wharton degree is golden. His concern for Dana was key in the decision to transfer here. They instead worked out that Dana will continue sfudies at UPENN in the summer and earn a degree there as well.

This legitimate concern for a kid's best interest sold me on Rick, even at the expense of losing a very good player. Stuff like this goes beyond even the 2 championships and fistfull of Final 4's. Anyway, who says you can't have both.
 
21RedStorm21 said:
Very interesting info. Is that Sam Silverstein you are referring to? Please correct me if I am wrong, but I think he is still attending Harvard this year but sitting out the basketball season (which is his junior year) and then transferring after this year. I'm assuming it's because of some combination of it being easier for him to graduate in 3 years without the demands of being on the team this year and/or him wanting two years of eligibility/NIL to cash in on at a new program after he gets his Harvard degree but just conjecture on my part.

None of this takes away from your points, since a player like Silverstein wouldn't make a decision like this in the pre-NIL era, and I agree that choosing a school is an entirely new calculus for the players now with NIL and that a strong NIL collective could outweigh a lot of our prior disadvantages such as facilities.
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Sam Silverstein was the name my son gave to me.
 
Beasts of the East said:
To rmn's excellent point, when Dingle's dad contacted RP about his son's interedt in coming here, RIck advised for Dingle to stay put because a Wharton degree is golden. His concern for Dana was key in the decision to transfer here. They instead worked out that Dana will continue sfudies at UPENN in the summer and earn a degree there as well.

This legitimate concern for a kid's best interest sold me on Rick, even at the expense of losing a very good player. Stuff like this goes beyond even the 2 championships and fistfull of Final 4's. Anyway, who says you can't have both.
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Dingle was in the NBA draft until pulling out. He obviously wants to continue playing basketball.
 
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