CBI, NIT ?

Thought maybe we'd end up playing somewhere. Couldnt hurt.
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NIT-Not in Tournament
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And of course the NIT used to be THE tournament -
as an anecdote...
Circa late 1960s
then Heading Coach Bobby Knight once turned town an NCAA bid and instead brought his Army team...
To the NIT!
:)
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A bit of conflation. In 1970 Al McGuire turned down an NCAA tournament bid after being sent to Texas rather than to the Midwest regional. Marquette went to and won the NIT instead, beating in the final St John’s, despite 15 points and 17 rebounds from Billy Paultz. St John's beat Army in the semi finals, then coached by Bobby Knight. Marquette beat LSU in the semi final, Pete Maravich's last game.

UCLA (Henry Bibby, Sidney Wicks, Curtis Rowe) beat Jacksonville in the championship game of the NCAA. St Bonaventure made the Final Four but Bob Lanier (averaging that year a mere 29 points and 16 rebounds) got hurt in the regional final and didn't play. Interestingly I found in the wayback machine several messages from ye olde Bonnie forum dot com where well informed posters opined that Lanier's injury was addition by subtraction because he was auditioning for the NBA rather than playing within a team concept.
 
Thought maybe we'd end up playing somewhere. Couldnt hurt.
Click to expand...

NIT-Not in Tournament
Click to expand...

And of course the NIT used to be THE tournament -
as an anecdote...
Circa late 1960s
then Heading Coach Bobby Knight once turned town an NCAA bid and instead brought his Army team...
To the NIT!
:)
Click to expand...

A bit of conflation. In 1970 Al McGuire turned down an NCAA tournament bid after being sent to Texas rather than to the Midwest regional. Marquette went to and won the NIT instead, beating in the final St John’s, despite 15 points and 17 rebounds from Billy Paultz. St John's beat Army in the semi finals, then coached by Bobby Knight. Marquette beat LSU in the semi final, Pete Maravich's last game.

UCLA (Henry Bibby, Sidney Wicks, Curtis Rowe) beat Jacksonville in the championship game of the NCAA. St Bonaventure made the Final Four but Bob Lanier (averaging that year a mere 29 points and 16 rebounds) got hurt in the regional final and didn't play. Interestingly I found in the wayback machine several messages from ye olde Bonnie forum dot com where well informed posters opined that Lanier's injury was addition by subtraction because he was auditioning for the NBA rather than playing within a team concept.
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Such a nice post Fun and you recall - or at least researched - a lot more than I did!
I do remember "we"/ Army were always a top defensive team and circa 1968 the Army team took a bus to alumni hall and beat the Redmen!!!

I was on another bus carrying cadets - for a NYC kid and basketball fan what a treat that was :)

Thanks!
 
Thought maybe we'd end up playing somewhere. Couldnt hurt.
Click to expand...

NIT-Not in Tournament
Click to expand...

And of course the NIT used to be THE tournament -
as an anecdote...
Circa late 1960s
then Heading Coach Bobby Knight once turned town an NCAA bid and instead brought his Army
To the NIT!
:)
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I am so sick of living in the past on this forum. We have not done anything of substance since 1985! That is over 30 f-----n years ago.
I often wonder if this program will ever be a token of what it once was!
Just getting weary!
 
sooooo no post season at all. I guess our post season is to grab a player or two for next year and hope draft express doesn't have LoVett even in the second round so he returns
 
sooooo no post season at all. I guess our post season is to grab a player or two for next year and hope draft express doesn't have LoVett even in the second round so he returns
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LoVett's status will depend on how much $$ he can get overseas. Family may be disappointed by the numbers they have seen thus far.
 
sooooo no post season at all. I guess our post season is to grab a player or two for next year and hope draft express doesn't have LoVett even in the second round so he returns
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LoVett's status will depend on how much $$ he can get overseas. Family may be disappointed by the numbers they have seen thus far.
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That disappointment may result in him staying (which I want). However, I can't help but to think there is a difference between a kid who is pumped about his college career and a kid who is on the prowl for a professional opportunity. I like Lovett and I not am judging his character or commitment. I just prefer the other mind set.
 
sooooo no post season at all. I guess our post season is to grab a player or two for next year and hope draft express doesn't have LoVett even in the second round so he returns
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LoVett's status will depend on how much $$ he can get overseas. Family may be disappointed by the numbers they have seen thus far.
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That disappointment may result in him staying (which I want). However, I can't help but to think there is a difference between a kid who is pumped about his college career and a kid who is on the prowl for a professional opportunity. I like Lovett and not I am judging his character or commitment. I just prefer the other mind set.
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Couldn't agree more, but get ready to be chastised by the "Lovett needs to stay at all costs because he's the 2nd coming of Nate Archibald, and the Chris ought to be on his hands and knees right now" crowd.
 
sooooo no post season at all. I guess our post season is to grab a player or two for next year and hope draft express doesn't have LoVett even in the second round so he returns
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LoVett's status will depend on how much $$ he can get overseas. Family may be disappointed by the numbers they have seen thus far.
Click to expand...

That disappointment may result in him staying (which I want). However, I can't help but to think there is a difference between a kid who is pumped about his college career and a kid who is on the prowl for a professional opportunity. I like Lovett and I not am judging his character or commitment. I just prefer the other mind set.
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Can understand that, but it nature of today's game for many teams, especially those rebuilding. In that case you tend to take chances. Btw, I would not be surprised if we are having same conversation about Ponds next year. So many kids want or need to make $$. Frankly, I wish they would just let kids declare after high school. The current rule seems to increase roster instability.
 
sooooo no post season at all. I guess our post season is to grab a player or two for next year and hope draft express doesn't have LoVett even in the second round so he returns
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LoVett's status will depend on how much $$ he can get overseas. Family may be disappointed by the numbers they have seen thus far.
Click to expand...

That disappointment may result in him staying (which I want). However, I can't help but to think there is a difference between a kid who is pumped about his college career and a kid who is on the prowl for a professional opportunity. I like Lovett and not I am judging his character or commitment. I just prefer the other mind set.
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Couldn't agree more, but get ready to be chastised by the "Lovett needs to stay at all costs because he's the 2nd coming of Nate Archibald, and the Chris ought to be on his hands and knees right now" crowd.
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Haven't seen that expressed much. Missing him to me is a natural response. Begging is another matter.
 
sooooo no post season at all. I guess our post season is to grab a player or two for next year and hope draft express doesn't have LoVett even in the second round so he returns
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LoVett's status will depend on how much $$ he can get overseas. Family may be disappointed by the numbers they have seen thus far.
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I am a big fan of Lovett. But based on where his game stands right now and the competition he's up against, I just don't see him being someone who can command decent dollars on the interrnational scene. For instance, Lovett right now is nowhere near the level of a D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera, who played in the Greek league after G'town, and there are a heck of a lot of a D'Vauntes Smith-Riveras out there looking for work.
 
sooooo no post season at all. I guess our post season is to grab a player or two for next year and hope draft express doesn't have LoVett even in the second round so he returns
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LoVett's status will depend on how much $$ he can get overseas. Family may be disappointed by the numbers they have seen thus far.
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I am a big fan of Lovett. But based on where his game stands right now and the competition he's up against, I just don't see him being someone who can command decent dollars on the interrnational scene. For instance, Lovett right now is nowhere near the level of a D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera, who played in the Greek league after G'town, and there are a heck of a lot of a D'Vauntes Smith-Riveras out there looking for work.
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Smith-Rivera is a good example. Even a player like Khadeen Carrington is 6'4" and, at this point, more polished.
 
Thought maybe we'd end up playing somewhere. Couldnt hurt.
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NIT first takes any conference champion who did not win their conference tournament (automatic NCAA bid) and were not selected as an NCAA at-large team. Then they fill out the field. They would be hard pressed to take a team with a losing record.

I don't know what the deal with CBI is but maybe they were not impressed with us.
 
sooooo no post season at all. I guess our post season is to grab a player or two for next year and hope draft express doesn't have LoVett even in the second round so he returns
Click to expand...

LoVett's status will depend on how much $$ he can get overseas. Family may be disappointed by the numbers they have seen thus far.
Click to expand...

That disappointment may result in him staying (which I want). However, I can't help but to think there is a difference between a kid who is pumped about his college career and a kid who is on the prowl for a professional opportunity. I like Lovett and not I am judging his character or commitment. I just prefer the other mind set.
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Couldn't agree more, but get ready to be chastised by the "Lovett needs to stay at all costs because he's the 2nd coming of Nate Archibald, and the Chris ought to be on his hands and knees right now" crowd.
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Haven't seen that expressed much. Missing him to me is a natural response. Begging is another matter.
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Hyperbole, but knowing me I assume you realized that
 
Thought maybe we'd end up playing somewhere. Couldnt hurt.
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NIT first takes any conference champion who did not win their conference tournament (automatic NCAA bid) and were not selected as an NCAA at-large team. Then they fill out the field. They would be hard pressed to take a team with a losing record.

I don't know what the deal with CBI is but maybe they were not impressed with us.
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Tough to be impressed after watching a 41-point drubbing in the team's most recent game.
 
You have to pay $50,000 to participate in the CBI. No big six teams. There is also a CIT tournament which is mostly low majors.
 
sooooo no post season at all. I guess our post season is to grab a player or two for next year and hope draft express doesn't have LoVett even in the second round so he returns
Click to expand...

LoVett's status will depend on how much $$ he can get overseas. Family may be disappointed by the numbers they have seen thus far.
Click to expand...

That disappointment may result in him staying (which I want). However, I can't help but to think there is a difference between a kid who is pumped about his college career and a kid who is on the prowl for a professional opportunity. I like Lovett and I not am judging his character or commitment. I just prefer the other mind set.
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By that logic you wouldn't recruit one and dones, or two and dones for that matter. All they're thinking about is their eventual pay day. Every top player in the NCAA's thinks they are showcasing their game for their potential pro career, which they'd jump at given the first opportunity. It's a coaches job to control that enough to build a winning team amongst their singular goals. At this point STJ needs as many kids that might be able to play for $$ as possible. Then again, so does almost every other team in the country. Hope his situation leads him to play at least another year in Queens.
 
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