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Why is it so hard to recruit big men? We know that we have needed one or two big men for decades but refuse to pull the trigger. There must be another WHOPPER (Billy Paultz) out there somewhere or are we allowed only one every 50 years? 
 
I heard Georgetown will not only have Wahab next year but Dikembe Mutumbo and George Muresans kids as well?

3 seven footers????????????///
 
How many kids does Muresan have??? Because the one on GT a year or two ago was 6'9" I think
 
The frontlines of the four teams who just played on tv , Geo, SH, Bay and Ok St make the SJU frontline players look like high schoolers.
 
It is hard to recruit big men because there aren't that many, making the competition fierce for them.  How many teenagers are 6'10 or taller that are also athletic and coordinated? A lot less than there are 6'5 swingmen. It makes sense that Patrick Ewing can make a good case to talented centers that he can help them, shall we say, grow. However, not every big will go to Georgetown. The tall players may be fewere in number, but they are out there. It's getting the good 7 footers that counts. Not as easy task.
 
Enright" post=425743 said:
The frontlines of the four teams who just played on tv , Geo, SH, Bay and Ok St make the SJU frontline players look like high schoolers.

ok. St. and Baylor game made the Big East teams like like the D3
 
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Minimum big man requirements:

Legit 6'8" (roster hieght 6'9" and up)

240 lbs

Skinny-mini big men should not apply

Just looking for someone who can stop Pauly Paulicap, Theo John, Ike Obiagu, Zach freemantle and Qudus Wahab from looking like Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlin.
 
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Looking at CMA's prior rosters, he always seemed to have a good-very good big man(6'10"+) in the middle, and a few serviceable bigs on the bench. Expecting he'll do the same at some point here. It's not like he and the staff don't see the same things that we see. As has been said before, because of our style of play, it will need to be a mobile big man/men. So that does narrow down the pool somewhat, but I'm confident they'll land someone sooner then later. 
 
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A couple of years ago this site had a 59 page recruiting thread on Kofi Cockburn. He was in the class of 2019. We offered him as a Freshman in High School but he ultimately wound up at Illinois and is in his second year there. He was listed as the number 50 player in the country in his class according to ESPN and was rated as the 12th best center that year. He was considered a highly rated recruit but not in the McDonald's All-American category that is typically beyond our reach. When you watch Kofi play you see the old school type of inside force that SJU hasn't had in many decades. He is a true dominating center and is one of the main reasons that Illinois is going in to the NCAA tournament as a number one seed.

I looked up some of the centers rated ahead of him in his class and many were one and done types. To find a center who will be both effective and stay long enough to have an impact is tricky. Georgetown had two centers in that class, the emerging star Qudus Wahab (25th rated center in 2019) and the yet to be a contributor bench warmer Malcolm Wilson (41st rated center in 2019). Xavier's Zach Freemantle (31st rated center in 2019)  was also in that group and he has definitely made an impact his first two years and will likely stick around longer.

Recruiting is always tricky, but to recruit a big who will have an impact and stay around is very tricky. For better or worse SJU has not had a history of developing bigs, Georgetown on the other hand has a very deep history of developing that type of player. That perception is yet another obstacle SJU faces in getting the right player in here to fill that void we have in the middle. This is not a new thing here. Our last great team got to the elite eight and had our final four hopes dashed by OSU's Ken Johnson. That big clogged the middle all night and we had no answer for him. Hopefully Coach Mike Anderson figures this out, but if it were easily fixed it would have been done a long time ago.
 
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ghostzapper" post=425787 said:
A couple of years ago this site had a 59 page recruiting thread on Kofi Cockburn. He was in the class of 2019. We offered him as a Freshman in High School but he ultimately wound up at Illinois and is in his second year there. He was listed as the number 50 player in the country in his class according to ESPN and was rated as the 12th best center that year. He was considered a highly rated recruit but not in the McDonald's All-American category that is typically beyond our reach. When you watch Kofi play you see the old school typs of inside force that SJU hasn't had in many decades. He is a true dominating center and is one of the main reasons that Illinois is going in to the NCAA tournament as a number one seed.

I looked up some of the centers rated ahead of him in his class and many were one and done types. To find a center who will be both effective and stay long enough to have an impact is tricky. Georgetown had two centers in that class, the emerging star Qudus Wahab (25th rated center in 2019) and the yet to be a contributor bench warmer Malcolm Wilson (41st rated center in 2019). Xavier's Zach Freemantle (31st rated center in 2019)  was also in that group and he has definitely made an impact his first two years and will likely stick around longer.

Recruiting is always tricky but to recruit a big who will have an impact and stay around is very tricky. For better or worse SJU has not had a history of develping bigs, Georgetown on the other hand has a very deep history of developing that type of player. That perception is yet another obstacle SJU faces in getting the right player in here to fill that void we have in the middle. This is not a new thing here. Our last great team got to the elite eight and had our final four hopes dashed by OSU's Ken Johnson. That big clogged the middle all night and we had no answer for him. Hopefully Coach Mike Anderson figures this out, but if it were easily fixed it would have been done a long time ago.

I hear what you're saying, but I think we could get by without a true low post center if we had a strong PF. We have neither. For as good as Champ has been, he's a finesse player and more of a 3.  Same for Moore, although he's more of a hybrid. As I mentioned before, I'd be ok with a Justin Burrel type manning the middle on this team. Someone who may not clog up the middle on D the way Kofi does, but is mobile enough to play CMA's style of ball. Maybe have a true low post kid on the bench to use situationally. A kid that could develop over 3-4 years. 
 
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Monte" post=425791 said:
ghostzapper" post=425787 said:
A couple of years ago this site had a 59 page recruiting thread on Kofi Cockburn. He was in the class of 2019. We offered him as a Freshman in High School but he ultimately wound up at Illinois and is in his second year there. He was listed as the number 50 player in the country in his class according to ESPN and was rated as the 12th best center that year. He was considered a highly rated recruit but not in the McDonald's All-American category that is typically beyond our reach. When you watch Kofi play you see the old school typs of inside force that SJU hasn't had in many decades. He is a true dominating center and is one of the main reasons that Illinois is going in to the NCAA tournament as a number one seed.

I looked up some of the centers rated ahead of him in his class and many were one and done types. To find a center who will be both effective and stay long enough to have an impact is tricky. Georgetown had two centers in that class, the emerging star Qudus Wahab (25th rated center in 2019) and the yet to be a contributor bench warmer Malcolm Wilson (41st rated center in 2019). Xavier's Zach Freemantle (31st rated center in 2019)  was also in that group and he has definitely made an impact his first two years and will likely stick around longer.

Recruiting is always tricky but to recruit a big who will have an impact and stay around is very tricky. For better or worse SJU has not had a history of develping bigs, Georgetown on the other hand has a very deep history of developing that type of player. That perception is yet another obstacle SJU faces in getting the right player in here to fill that void we have in the middle. This is not a new thing here. Our last great team got to the elite eight and had our final four hopes dashed by OSU's Ken Johnson. That big clogged the middle all night and we had no answer for him. Hopefully Coach Mike Anderson figures this out, but if it were easily fixed it would have been done a long time ago.

I hear what you're saying, but I think we could get by without a true low post center if we had a strong PF. We have neither. For as good as Champ has been, he's a finesse player and more of a 3.  Same for Moore, although he's more of a hybrid. As I mentioned before, I'd be ok with a Justin Burrel type manning the middle on this team. Someone who may not clog up the middle on D the way Kofi does, but is mobile enough to play CMA's style of ball. Maybe have a true low post kid on the bench to use situationally. A kid that could develop over 3-4 years. 

 
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Justin Burrell would go a long way with this group of forwards and guards. And a player in that mold shouldn’t be out of reach for us. But I do think that going forward Burrell type of players will be exclusively centers. So we might think of them as strong power forwards, but guys like that aren’t playing next to another interior big very often.
 
We are a strong big man away from being a special team next year.

Need to pounce on the transfer market.

BTW, whatever happened to Carlos Curry?
 
Anyone available from overseas?  Otherwise, some growth hormones for Wusu.  Would love to have him inside.
 
Amaseinyourface" post=425793 said:
Monte" post=425791 said:
ghostzapper" post=425787 said:
A couple of years ago this site had a 59 page recruiting thread on Kofi Cockburn. He was in the class of 2019. We offered him as a Freshman in High School but he ultimately wound up at Illinois and is in his second year there. He was listed as the number 50 player in the country in his class according to ESPN and was rated as the 12th best center that year. He was considered a highly rated recruit but not in the McDonald's All-American category that is typically beyond our reach. When you watch Kofi play you see the old school typs of inside force that SJU hasn't had in many decades. He is a true dominating center and is one of the main reasons that Illinois is going in to the NCAA tournament as a number one seed.

I looked up some of the centers rated ahead of him in his class and many were one and done types. To find a center who will be both effective and stay long enough to have an impact is tricky. Georgetown had two centers in that class, the emerging star Qudus Wahab (25th rated center in 2019) and the yet to be a contributor bench warmer Malcolm Wilson (41st rated center in 2019). Xavier's Zach Freemantle (31st rated center in 2019)  was also in that group and he has definitely made an impact his first two years and will likely stick around longer.

Recruiting is always tricky but to recruit a big who will have an impact and stay around is very tricky. For better or worse SJU has not had a history of develping bigs, Georgetown on the other hand has a very deep history of developing that type of player. That perception is yet another obstacle SJU faces in getting the right player in here to fill that void we have in the middle. This is not a new thing here. Our last great team got to the elite eight and had our final four hopes dashed by OSU's Ken Johnson. That big clogged the middle all night and we had no answer for him. Hopefully Coach Mike Anderson figures this out, but if it were easily fixed it would have been done a long time ago.

I hear what you're saying, but I think we could get by without a true low post center if we had a strong PF. We have neither. For as good as Champ has been, he's a finesse player and more of a 3.  Same for Moore, although he's more of a hybrid. As I mentioned before, I'd be ok with a Justin Burrel type manning the middle on this team. Someone who may not clog up the middle on D the way Kofi does, but is mobile enough to play CMA's style of ball. Maybe have a true low post kid on the bench to use situationally. A kid that could develop over 3-4 years. 


 
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Justin Burrell would go a long way with this group of forwards and guards. And a player in that mold shouldn’t be out of reach for us. But I do think that going forward Burrell type of players will be exclusively centers. So we might think of them as strong power forwards, but guys like that aren’t playing next to another interior big very often.

Wasnt suggesting that someone like a Burrell type play next to a low post guy, except situationally. Meant to say, as you did, that a Justin Burrell type would fit well in the middle with this team. Then have a true low post player come off the bench. Much like Creighton does with Bishop starting, and that big kid coming off the bench. 
 
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The BE being what it is , with 7 ' foot guys pretty commonplace , it's more important to have one that can block. A Few shots , guard the middle and be able to dunk from 2 feet . They don't need to be running up and down the Court like our 4 other guys . So , it's CMA 's job to get 1 and not worry so much if he fits every aspect of Mike's check list . Not having one , like we do currently , is the worst case scenario .  
 
Is t Omar Stanley supposed to be a big tough forward who will help rebounding and clog the middle?
 
I know we're thinking of a different name when it comes to a potential transfer from Pitt but I wonder what's going on with Max Amadasun over there? He was the OSL teammate of Posh and Wusu who didn't come along. He's barely gotten on the court. Not a solution for next year but he's 6'10 230lbs and I remember being dissapointed when he didn't pop for St. John's. Grab a guy like that and have him redshirt for a year (which he probably should have done this season) and you have a promising big with 3 years of eligibility. Again not at all a solution for next season when a more established contributor is needed right away but maybe a good investment of a scholarship if he's looking for a change and they have one to spare. His buddies are already here, right?
 
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