Big East Robbery

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westchesterjoe

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2 Things.. First, the BE Conference looks like a Horse's Ass by having the the defending National Champs, Nova, play at 12 noon.. Not to mention how unfair it is to have our Team , play barely 15 hours after the Hoya Win. Meanwhile, the 7-10 Winner gets to play at Night, 24 hours after their game or, close to it. Plus, most of the MSG Crowd attend the Evening Sessions and, its Prime Time TV.

Second, I am incensed at the selection of Justin Patton as BE Freshman of the Year , over our own, Shamorie Ponds. Patton averaged 13 points a game and disappeared down the Stretch when Maurice Watson went down. Ponds was BE Freshman of the week 5 times, averaged 17 points and was our best Player and often the best Player on the Court in many of our games. Not just the best St John's player but, the best player on the Court.

This outrage tells me a lot of BE Coaches and Assistants weren't watching ..

So, a BIG APPLE Bronx Cheer to all those who voted for Patton over Ponds. No way!
 
Ponds deserved to win the Freshman of the Year Award HANDS DOWN. However, I was not surprised that they picked Patton due to him being on a better team, and the perception that he plays better defense just because he is 7 ft tall. Both of those reasons are bogus and Ponds should have won the award.
 
Complete joke that Patton wins BET Freshman of the Year. Since beginning of February, he's averaged 10.4 ppg compared to Ponds 18.9 ppg.
 
All time leading freshman scoring record at the historic St Johns....no rookie of the year? Ripped!! But Patton is a great player. Also i think playing Nova at this time is beneficial to us. Ewe won and shot the ball horrible yesterday, maybe the team will feel it this afternoon.
 
I get that Shamorie deserves BEROY, but it's all about top teams getting the recognition when it comes to individual awards, fair or not. If we had finished 4-5-6 in the conference he would have won.
 
I think Ponds deserved to win Big East Rookie of the Year but I'm not bent out of shape about it. I read a coach voted for Lovett, so as far as I'm concerned, getting two guys getting votes for the Rookie of the Year is a good problem to have.
 
I think Ponds deserved to win Big East Rookie of the Year but I'm not bent out of shape about it. I read a coach voted for Lovett, so as far as I'm concerned, getting two guys getting votes for the Rookie of the Year is a good problem to have.
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Yes that was in an article. I am thinking that Coach was Cooley or if he can't vote for his own player, McDermot.
 
I get to spend time with NCAA coaches from time too time. Of course I always talk about St. John's. I ask about Mullin as a coach . There is one consistent theme..... Mullin is not part of there "coaching Fraternity". Greg Campe at Oakland told me he hopes "it doesn't work out". They don't like NBA guys taking "their jobs".
So I'm not surprised Ponds got snubbed by coaches voting.
 
2 Things.. First, the BE Conference looks like a Horse's Ass by having the the defending National Champs, Nova, play at 12 noon.. Not to mention how unfair it is to have our Team , play barely 15 hours after the Hoya Win. Meanwhile, the 7-10 Winner gets to play at Night, 24 hours after their game or, close to it. Plus, most of the MSG Crowd attend the Evening Sessions and, its Prime Time TV.

Second, I am incensed at the selection of Justin Patton as BE Freshman of the Year , over our own, Shamorie Ponds. Patton averaged 13 points a game and disappeared down the Stretch when Maurice Watson went down. Ponds was BE Freshman of the week 5 times, averaged 17 points and was our best Player and often the best Player on the Court in many of our games. Not just the best St John's player but, the best player on the Court.

This outrage tells me a lot of BE Coaches and Assistants weren't watching ..

So, a BIG APPLE Bronx Cheer to all those who voted for Patton over Ponds. No way!
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The top two seeds since at least the reconfiguration has always had the top seeds play in the first game of the afternoon and evening session. I would think you would want to flip flop the times for the 1 and 2 games which would theoretically provide more eyes glued to the TV during prime time (especially in Novas case) and it would give a decent turnaround to the team that won the 8-9 game the night before. The brackets in terms of where the seeds would be placed was already determined before they were filled out. I agree that it stinks however.

As for ROY, yes I thought Ponds should have gotten it also but its not like Patton didn't have a good year on both sides of the ball. I had a feeling earlier on that Lovett and Ponds might split the vote with someone else coming in and taking it. According to a Post (?) article, at least one coach voted for Lovett which might have turned the tide for Patton. Since they don't release how many votes were received by each player, we will never truly know.

In 1984, a Coach could not vote for a player on his own team. To give Ewing a better chance of getting Player of the Year ("POY") for the 83/84 season, John Thompson did not vote for the other top candidate, Chris Mullin but for another player (I can't recall who it was). Ewing and Chris tied with 4 votes each and the other player received the other vote (BE had 9 teams at the time) to Chris and Ewing both were POY. For the 84/85 season, the BE took the POY voting out of the coaches hands and give the award to both. Chris is the only player to win three BE POY awards, all in a row. Of course Walter Berry won the award for the 85.86 season.
 
I get to spend time with NCAA coaches from time too time. Of course I always talk about St. John's. I ask about Mullin as a coach . There is one consistent theme..... Mullin is not part of there "coaching Fraternity". Greg Campe at Oakland told me he hopes "it doesn't work out". They don't like NBA guys taking "their jobs".
So I'm not surprised Ponds got snubbed by coaches voting.
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They can have whatever fraternity they want, we have a playing legend who is making big strides as a head coach. This vote shouldn't have been close. Should have been Ponds hands down.
 
I get to spend time with NCAA coaches from time too time. Of course I always talk about St. John's. I ask about Mullin as a coach . There is one consistent theme..... Mullin is not part of there "coaching Fraternity". Greg Campe at Oakland told me he hopes "it doesn't work out". They don't like NBA guys taking "their jobs".
So I'm not surprised Ponds got snubbed by coaches voting.
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They can have whatever fraternity they want, we have a playing legend who is making big strides as a head coach. This vote shouldn't have been close. Should have been Ponds hands down.
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Wouldn't want to be in that fraternity. Have to watch your back. Also don't think anyone from the NBA wants a job in Oakland, Michigan so that guy doesn't have to worry.
 
I get to spend time with NCAA coaches from time too time. Of course I always talk about St. John's. I ask about Mullin as a coach . There is one consistent theme..... Mullin is not part of there "coaching Fraternity". Greg Campe at Oakland told me he hopes "it doesn't work out". They don't like NBA guys taking "their jobs".
So I'm not surprised Ponds got snubbed by coaches voting.
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They can have whatever fraternity they want, we have a playing legend who is making big strides as a head coach. This vote shouldn't have been close. Should have been Ponds hands down.
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Totally agree. Just sharing what has been shared with me. Of course I don't even know if it had anything to do with it. I'm sure ponds will win a few awards along the way during his career here.
 
The low seed games should be on Monday or Tuesday.
 
Again and still, if the award was offensive ROY it would be Ponds hands down. Both ends of the court, not so much a lock.
 
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