Big East Officiating

[Storm Tracker]

I hate complaining about the refs, but it really is getting out of hand. For the most part the really do call it both ways, but they call EVERYTHING. 53 fouls called last night. 56 against Xavier at MSG. Its ruining the game. Absolutely no flow. How can you expect to enjoy a game when they are blowing the whistle on average more than once a minute? And the stats arent deceiving, these are not intentional fouls by the trailing team to slow down clock at the end of hte game. Both teams in double bonus last night with 12 minutes left in the game? The old big east was known as being tough, and the refs let them play the game. I miss that!

 

[RM86]

I hate complaining about the refs, but it really is getting out of hand. For the most part the really do call it both ways, but they call EVERYTHING. 53 fouls called last night. 56 against Xavier at MSG. Its ruining the game. Absolutely no flow. How can you expect to enjoy a game when they are blowing the whistle on average more than once a minute? And the stats arent deceiving, these are not intentional fouls by the trailing team to slow down clock at the end of hte game. Both teams in double bonus last night with 12 minutes left in the game? The old big east was known as being tough, and the refs let them play the game. I miss that!

Last night was bad. Jamie Luckie is the worst, he calls fouls 50ft from the basket but if you get hit driving no harm no foul.

 

[paultzman]

Ruining the game, making many games hard to watch in BE. I'm not sure how other conferences are faring, but this appears to be a big issue meriting BE executive review.

 

[monte]

Its horrible. Every drive to the hoop is a foul call. Even when the offensive player initiates the contact. Bashir reaps the benefit of a lot of these calls calls because of his game, but I still hate them. Let the kids play!

 

[RM86]

Ruining the game, making many games hard to watch in BE. I'm not sure how other conferences are faring, but this appears to be a big issue meriting BE executive review.

It's everywhere, I watch as many games as I can. While I agree with freedom of movement rules, the calling of fouls 50-60 ft from the basket where nobody is gaining an advantage is killing the game. It seems like guys get hit at the rim and no call, very frustrating to watch.

 

[sirvoo]

As Stringer Bell once said, "Get it straight, your territory ain't shi$ if the product is weak." Right now the product is weak with how games are being officiated.

 

[mjmaherjr]

I've mainly watched big east games this year but the refs have sucked in most of them.They are making it really hard to watch

 

[Knight]

They call a crazy number of fouls because they are incapable of controlling games. I would prefer that they meet with coaches before game time and tell them that they will let the kids play but that excessively rough play will be penalized.

 

[JackofVirginia]

I've mainly watched big east games this year but the refs have sucked in most of them.They are making it really hard to watch

In addition to watching most B.E. games and some ACC games most analysts have been critical of the officiating. Their signature call is, "Let them play." And yet some of the announcers brag about the capability of the officials doing our games. Personally, I don't think the B.E. refs are good at all.

 

[cappy105]

a foul is a foul, as long as they are consistent , which they are NOT! I hate the refs dictating the score, and thats exactly what they do....hummm wonder why the spreads are always dead on?

 

[Red.Fans]

seems like Ponds gets hammered a ton with no calls. Not just this game. I don't get why his effectiveness gets limited because he is masterfully drawing fouls and the refs don't want to call them on key players. Yes he is looking to draw fouls and he is. Those should be called. Bashir in his forcing is also getting a lot of no calls and that is exactly his game and what makes him more valuable when he gets those calls, put other team in foul trouble and hits free throws.

 

[we are sju]

seems like Ponds gets hammered a ton with no calls. Not just this game. I don't get why his effectiveness gets limited because he is masterfully drawing fouls and the refs don't want to call them on key players. Yes he is looking to draw fouls and he is. Those should be called. Bashir in his forcing is also getting a lot of no calls and that is exactly his game and what makes him more valuable when he gets those calls, put other team in foul trouble and hits free throws.

On every Ahmed drive to the hoop you can call a foul either way

 

[Red.Fans]

seems like Ponds gets hammered a ton with no calls. Not just this game. I don't get why his effectiveness gets limited because he is masterfully drawing fouls and the refs don't want to call them on key players. Yes he is looking to draw fouls and he is. Those should be called. Bashir in his forcing is also getting a lot of no calls and that is exactly his game and what makes him more valuable when he gets those calls, put other team in foul trouble and hits free throws.

On every Ahmed drive to the hoop you can call a foul either way

Yes that is true but I would not say that he is charging every time. There are a lot of no calls where he gets hammered to the arms and body often by multiple guys. Yes he does charge on some of these but he also gets called. Definitely more accurately than where the defense should be getting called.

When the refs are ignoring these calls but call the bs calls like on Yakwe or even the charge that Martin took where he clearly was moving and not set, it dramatically changes our game which would otherwise rely upon these two guys Ponds and Bashir to be determining our games.

 

[we are sju]

seems like Ponds gets hammered a ton with no calls. Not just this game. I don't get why his effectiveness gets limited because he is masterfully drawing fouls and the refs don't want to call them on key players. Yes he is looking to draw fouls and he is. Those should be called. Bashir in his forcing is also getting a lot of no calls and that is exactly his game and what makes him more valuable when he gets those calls, put other team in foul trouble and hits free throws.

On every Ahmed drive to the hoop you can call a foul either way

Yes that is true but I would not say that he is charging every time. There are a lot of no calls where he gets hammered to the arms and body often by multiple guys. Yes he does charge on some of these but he also gets called. Definitely more accurately than where the defense should be getting called.

When the refs are ignoring these calls but call the bs calls like on Yakwe or even the charge that Martin took where he clearly was moving and not set, it dramatically changes our game which would otherwise rely upon these two guys Ponds and Bashir to be determining our games.

I think in College refs are more apt to call a charge on bull rushes to the hoop. I do not disagree with you just seems that is the way those drives to the hoop are usually called. If we ever played Duke, they would foul out Ahmed during warmups.

 

[Red.Fans]

seems like Ponds gets hammered a ton with no calls. Not just this game. I don't get why his effectiveness gets limited because he is masterfully drawing fouls and the refs don't want to call them on key players. Yes he is looking to draw fouls and he is. Those should be called. Bashir in his forcing is also getting a lot of no calls and that is exactly his game and what makes him more valuable when he gets those calls, put other team in foul trouble and hits free throws.

On every Ahmed drive to the hoop you can call a foul either way

Yes that is true but I would not say that he is charging every time. There are a lot of no calls where he gets hammered to the arms and body often by multiple guys. Yes he does charge on some of these but he also gets called. Definitely more accurately than where the defense should be getting called.

When the refs are ignoring these calls but call the bs calls like on Yakwe or even the charge that Martin took where he clearly was moving and not set, it dramatically changes our game which would otherwise rely upon these two guys Ponds and Bashir to be determining our games.

I think in College refs are more apt to call a charge on bull rushes to the hoop. I do not disagree with you just seems that is the way those drives to the hoop are usually called. If we ever played Duke, they would foul out Ahmed during warmups.

As a college hoops fan I think you can reasonably expect a guy lowering his shoulders into a guy to get called for a charge. As a player you need to be taught not to do that because the assumption is that the refs will call it as a charge - every time. But the refs are not being consistent in any way, shape or form. Martin did exactly that and got a foul call and then praised by the announcers for clearing space. So which is it? As a player, as a coach, as a fan this stuff needs to be consistent.

 

[we are sju]

seems like Ponds gets hammered a ton with no calls. Not just this game. I don't get why his effectiveness gets limited because he is masterfully drawing fouls and the refs don't want to call them on key players. Yes he is looking to draw fouls and he is. Those should be called. Bashir in his forcing is also getting a lot of no calls and that is exactly his game and what makes him more valuable when he gets those calls, put other team in foul trouble and hits free throws.

On every Ahmed drive to the hoop you can call a foul either way

Yes that is true but I would not say that he is charging every time. There are a lot of no calls where he gets hammered to the arms and body often by multiple guys. Yes he does charge on some of these but he also gets called. Definitely more accurately than where the defense should be getting called.

When the refs are ignoring these calls but call the bs calls like on Yakwe or even the charge that Martin took where he clearly was moving and not set, it dramatically changes our game which would otherwise rely upon these two guys Ponds and Bashir to be determining our games.

I think in College refs are more apt to call a charge on bull rushes to the hoop. I do not disagree with you just seems that is the way those drives to the hoop are usually called. If we ever played Duke, they would foul out Ahmed during warmups.

As a college hoops fan I think you can reasonably expect a guy lowering his shoulders into a guy to get called for a charge. As a player you need to be taught not to do that because the assumption is that the refs will call it as a charge - every time. But the refs are not being consistent in any way, shape or form. Martin did exactly that and got a foul call and then praised by the announcers for clearing space. So which is it? As a player, as a coach, as a fan this stuff needs to be consistent.

Announcers yesterday were awful.
Historically I would rank College Basketball referees as slightly better than WWE referees.
Generally home teams and Duke wherever they may be get most of the calls

 

[HowCouldUBeSoHarkless]

Carrington shot 22 of Seton Hall's 39 free throws last night,

It's been brutal all conference season. Can't believe there has been no review.

 

[beast of the east]

seems like Ponds gets hammered a ton with no calls. Not just this game. I don't get why his effectiveness gets limited because he is masterfully drawing fouls and the refs don't want to call them on key players. Yes he is looking to draw fouls and he is. Those should be called. Bashir in his forcing is also getting a lot of no calls and that is exactly his game and what makes him more valuable when he gets those calls, put other team in foul trouble and hits free throws.

You know it's a funny thing and it happens on almost all levels. A smaller guy drives to the hoop and gets hammered by someone weighing 60 lbs more, 8 inches taller, and a wingspan to match and ends up crumpled on the floor - complains to the ref and the refs attitude is, "Well, no one told you to go inside to play with the big boys".

It's one reason Mussini drives often end up with him crumpled to the floor hoping no one will step on him. If a big guy went down on impact with that much contact, they call a foul. I think refs just kind of feel that acceptable contact knocks a small guy around, and that's just too bad,

Brings me back to playing in the CityWide league at Montebelair park in Queens, or competitive CYO league. You complain to a ref that you are getting hammered, and they tell you "Then don't go in there"

 

[BrookJersey Redmen]

But think about it, we don't have Tim Higgins and Jim Burr to kick around any more right.

Wait there are more refs to reference here, I just only remember those two names because they loved to come racing, 50 foot away from the action, and make dramatic calls, with over emphasis included.

I know someone from Tim's town and he said Higgins did it for the TV time only.

 

[beast of the east]

Two comments on referee quality:

1) Three refs is just a horrible thing. Each ref seems to think he has to make a certain number of calls, and maybe they are graded on that, I don't know. I do know that even with 3 guys, they seem out of position a lot, and sometimes a ref makes a call that another ref closer to the play did not.

2) Calling a basketball game is effing ridiculously a hard job, especially at court level. At last weeks game at the Garden, I'd make a lot of calls from my seat half a second before the ref did. My wife said to me, wow you are really good, you should be a ref. I replied, "I got IABO certification when I was in college, and was horrible at reffing when at court level." It's just impossible to see with clarity from the baseline when ten guys are tangled up under the basket what you can when elevated 10-20 feet off the court. I've always thought that if theya re going to use a third ref, he should observe from a midcourt perch that is the equivalent of a great seat.