howcudubsoharkless
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could our days in the Big East be numbered?
could our days in the Big East be numbered?
Atlantic 10 open to adding Big East Schools
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Rob Lenhart
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Of course the Atlantic-10 would be open to this. I wrote a few weeks back that if the BE bb schools decided to leave and ask A-10 schools to join it would be reasonable to think the A-10 schools, who are part of a TV contract, might not want to leave and join a conference that didn't have one. They could join together and say no. We (the A-10) have 14 teams. We'll extend an invite to 6 of the 7 former BE bb schools and renegotiate their contract upwards. A-10 also has their conf tourney in Barclays Brooklyn so --- MSG would very well go looking for someone to fill that void - ACC, anyone?
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So we go from the Big East to beggars to the A10 banquet at Barclays? Nothing like progress! BTW, the ACC awarded the next FIVE years of its tourney.....the letters do not spell MSG.
First off, Big East name and existing basketball programs are more valuable than what the A-10 has. Second, a conference of 21 teams with a lot of low tier bball schools is not a recipe for remaining/becoming a strong bball conference.
Big East has to figure it how to get out of this with the Big East name, and start adding the top tier bball schools from the A-10.
Exactly. Otherwise the BE schools will have lost their identity and be part of an overbloated mid-major conference. If the seven BE mentioned could cherry-pick the seven best programs from the A10, we would have a very strong 14-team conference. (I also think it's important that a few non-Catholic schools be a part of such a conference.) Once the conference gels, there'd be room to add another two top-tier programs, bringing the number up to 16.
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Can't be done. We either stay with the current Big East,we start our own thing with a new name or go to the A10. I personally don't think the A10 option is a bad one.
Which conference is going to get more bids per year?
Duquesne
George Washington
UMass
St. Bonaventure
Rhode Island
St. Joseph's
Dayton
Fordham
LaSalle
Xavier
Richmond
St. Louis
Butler
VCU
Georgetown
Providence
Seton Hall
Marquette
St. John's
DePaul
Villanova
or
Georgetown
Providence
Seton Hall
Marquette
St. John's
DePaul
Villanova
Temple
Houston
SMU
UCF
Memphis
Tulane
You're naive if you think that Cincinnati and UConn are in the Big East now for the long haul. I take Option A
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I am going to be polite here and just say the first 9 of your option A SUCK! I would take the bottom 6 of your option B any day over a financially bankrupt Option A league.
For the so-called "Catholic" league fans here, get a grip! Last I checked Notre Dame, BC and Villanova are Catholic and had no problem stabbing the BE in the back and applying to the ACC. St. John's and Georgetown would leave their Catholic brothers faster than you can cross yourself and fart!
Both Dayton and Creighton are in the top 30 nationally in home basketball attendance. Both would need to be included in any new conference because they both have very loyal and relatively large fan bases. I don't think it is about forming a "catholic league" per se. That's just the way things are shaping up because the big BcS schools are mostly big state institutions with public money at their disposal. This league needs to be focused on good basketball, not the denomination of the league members.
The "option b" teams really don't have much in common with us any more. Most want us gone. As I said, I'd still love to be in a league with the schools we have now, but they are all moving on and they'll leave us hanging again should opportunity arise.
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We added Tulane because of the southern football TV market and because our first choice in Louisiana turned us down....LSU. LOL!
I love how people complain about being involved with the A10. Well guess what, when ConnU and Cincinnati leave....we'll be in Conference USA 2.0 (or are we there now). Then the "Big East" adds UTEP and Marshall. Won't that be a fantastic day!
To be honest...that is where its going to go. I have zero confidence that the non-football schools will bail on the chump change they'll get being involved with 3rd tier football...and you can thank our new pal Temple for blocking any chance of getting rid of the buyout. I guess I just have to get pumped up for SMU and Tulane at the garden every year for the rest of history!!!
To be honest...that is where its going to go. I have zero confidence that the non-football schools will bail on the chump change they'll get being involved with 3rd tier football...and you can thank our new pal Temple for blocking any chance of getting rid of the buyout. I guess I just have to get pumped up for SMU and Tulane at the garden every year for the rest of history!!!
Option "B" isn't complete.
You don't have UCONN and Cinncinnatti I'm assuming because you anticipate them leaving for either the ACC or Big12. I think that's a fair assumption to make.
The problem is, if that happens there will only be 10 football schools in the new BE (including Navy, ECU, SDSU etc), you need 12 to be able to have a conference championship game. Obviously the league wants a championship game because it means more $$, so - long story short, if the BE does lose UCONN and Cincinnati they will expand again.
So that already watered down league, will be + a Marshall or a Rice, maybe a UNLV.
You don't have UCONN and Cinncinnatti I'm assuming because you anticipate them leaving for either the ACC or Big12. I think that's a fair assumption to make.
The problem is, if that happens there will only be 10 football schools in the new BE (including Navy, ECU, SDSU etc), you need 12 to be able to have a conference championship game. Obviously the league wants a championship game because it means more $$, so - long story short, if the BE does lose UCONN and Cincinnati they will expand again.
So that already watered down league, will be + a Marshall or a Rice, maybe a UNLV.
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The bigger is better theory, doesn't necessarily apply to a basketball only conference.
Unless a team brings a market that is going to increase the TV contract by more than the number of teams you have (12 million for a 12 team league), why would you add them? It's just one extra hand by which you have to divide the league's revenue.
Georgetown
St Johns
Villanova
Marquette
Depaul
Providence
Seton Hall
New Teams
Butler
Xavier
George Mason
Dayton
Richmond
Virginia Common Wealth
Detroit / St Louis
I would imagine it would be a conference like that, no bigger. 14 Teams more or less.
I would love to keep Memphis and Temple if they could place their football in C-USA or the MAC, but I don't see that happening.
Agree Marillac. Never even thougt about Wichita State before. Dayton, Creighton and Xavier are musts. All schools you mentioned have fervent basketball fan support which should only get better in a better conference. Real decent mix of schools in tha conference. The ACC has been the "best" conference in town prior to the most recent Big East and they did it with only Duke and UNC and occasionally Maryland. The rest of the leage has generally stunk.
A league with teams like SJU, Georgetown, Nova, Marquette, Xavier, Dayton, Butler, Providence, Seton Hall, St, Louis, Creighton etc would have a VERY basketball-centric product and quality top to bottom. Can't tell me a league like that wouldn't have a few strong bids come NCAA tourney time. Don't forget, the recruiting at many of those schools would also be elevated with a better overall league and the cache' it brings with it.
Even if it didn't bring in the huge Tv dollars that the BCS leagues bring in, i think it might work out favorably on a per school basis. I think the bball as well as other sport would be better than many anticipate.
P.S. I'd also really be in favor of adding UMass. They are in the northeast, could give us Boston exposure. They'd have to drop their football to 1AA which is really what they should be. Let's face it, their football program draws 11k fans. That is not FBS football numbers. They should go back to 1AA anyway for football which I think will happen because they are losing big dollars. Their bball program would fit in well in the new version of the Big East.