Are we really better without lindsey?

jumbo_peanuts

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 With lindsey we were 4-5 and averaging 68ppg....without lindsey we are 4-6 and averaging 63.5 per game....

One of our biggest concerns right now is not having a true PG. Lindsey was no where near a true PG, but neither is phil green (not yet anyways). So if I had to choose right now, I would take Lindsey in a heart beat, just because if we aren't going to have a real PG, I would much rather have a guy who can score with more efficiency.


Everyone was so excited when he left and saying how much better off we were...but I think we are missing him and needing him more than we initially anticipated we would....
 
 With lindsey we were 4-5 and averaging 68ppg....without lindsey we are 4-6 and averaging 63.5 per game....

One of our biggest concerns right now is not having a true PG. Lindsey was no where near a true PG, but neither is phil green (not yet anyways). So if I had to choose right now, I would take Lindsey in a heart beat, just because if we aren't going to have a real PG, I would much rather have a guy who can score with more efficiency.


Everyone was so excited when he left and saying how much better off we were...but I think we are missing him and needing him more than we initially anticipated we would....
 

We are certainly missing him.
 
 I think we would be a better team on the court if he were still here. If he was causing off the court (as rumored), then maybe it is better that he is gone. As I left the Garden, however, my thought was how it is hard for me to wish him well because his absence probably cost us today's game.
 
we would have won today if we had nuri. and been more competitive in some of our blow out losses. not just because he would have been an extra body. its a shame the kid left, for both st johns and himself.  
 
 With lindsey we were 4-5 and averaging 68ppg....without lindsey we are 4-6 and averaging 63.5 per game....

One of our biggest concerns right now is not having a true PG. Lindsey was no where near a true PG, but neither is phil green (not yet anyways). So if I had to choose right now, I would take Lindsey in a heart beat, just because if we aren't going to have a real PG, I would much rather have a guy who can score with more efficiency.


Everyone was so excited when he left and saying how much better off we were...but I think we are missing him and needing him more than we initially anticipated we would....
 

So in other words our record is almost identical but we are playing much tougher opponents now that league play has started.
And I take Phil who is improving, who wants to distribute and make the team better.
Lindsey never would have become the pg we wanted, but his absence allowed us to get Jamal Branch who hopefully will be that player.
This year was a 12 win season with Nuri and not much different without.
We are better off without him for the future IMHO.
 
 With lindsey we were 4-5 and averaging 68ppg....without lindsey we are 4-6 and averaging 63.5 per game....

One of our biggest concerns right now is not having a true PG. Lindsey was no where near a true PG, but neither is phil green (not yet anyways). So if I had to choose right now, I would take Lindsey in a heart beat, just because if we aren't going to have a real PG, I would much rather have a guy who can score with more efficiency.


Everyone was so excited when he left and saying how much better off we were...but I think we are missing him and needing him more than we initially anticipated we would....
 

So in other words our record is almost identical but we are playing much tougher opponents now that league play has started.
And I take Phil who is improving, who wants to distribute and make the team better.
Lindsey never would have become the pg we wanted, but his absence allowed us to get Jamal Branch who hopefully will be that player.
This year was a 12 win season with Nuri and not much different without.
We are better off without him for the future IMHO.
 

I totally agree Aubie
In the long run, we will be better off with Branch than Nuri
 
 Yes we are in the long run. Since this year is a wash out anyway we may as well develop other players for the future.
 
we would have won today if we had nuri. and been more competitive in some of our blow out losses. not just because he would have been an extra body. its a shame the kid left, for both st johns and himself.  
 

I agree but only because the only way Nuri would still be around is if he bought in to the team concept. His transfer proved he couldn't so the point is moot.
 
We would be one player deeper, which would have enormous payback since you can play ball with an 8 man rotation. On the downside, he showed no inclination towards team ball, and a kid who opts for a smaller stage than MSG doesn't appear to have much heart. 
 
Lindsey would have been a suitable substitute to Phil Green.

Don't kid yourself, Lindsey understood that his time as ST.john's starting point guard was in jeopardy which is the sole reason why the quitter decided to quit.
 
Who knows, this year probably not. If what was being reported is true then in the long run probably. Its a thing of the past now, the 7 guys we got is who we got and there is nothing we can to change that. Lets just get a little bit better everyday 
 
 We not only lost five of our last six with Nuri, we lost most of them BECAUSE of Nuri. We went 3-0 as soon as he left. Harrison plays better without Nuri. The fact that this thread pops up after we lose a close OT game where Greene and Harrison each had their best games of the season is f'ucking comical. We got 42 PTs from our backcourt today and this is the game we bring this thread REALLY? We lose the game on FT's and this is the game we decide to bring up missing the worst shooting guard anyone has ever seen at STJ? REALLY? In a close ft match like this it would have been nice to depend on a 50% ft shooter...turnover machine. That would have been much preferred to 42 PTs on 50% shooting from our back court.
 
 We not only lost five of our last six with Nuri, we lost most of them BECAUSE of Nuri. We not only lost five of our last six with Nuri, we lost most of them BECAUSE of Nuri.
Versus Arizona Lindsey fouled out and Arizona went on a 16-2 run, so if we lost because of Lindsey we lost only because he wasn't playing. Against A&M Lindsey missed two critical free throws, yes, but if Harkless hadn't gone 3 for 15 from the field or if God's Gift to Villanova had made a single field goal those free throws might not have mattered quite so much. I assume you don't want to pin the loss to UK on Lindsey. Lindsey was one of two players in double figures versus NE - Harrison was 2 for 10 from the field and 0 for 6 from three - while some mid major dope lit up the zone for 30, so I don't see how we can blame that one on him. And on his way out the door against Detroit Lindsey played only 21 minutes. So to recap: when you say we lost most of them because of Lindsey in big capital letters you're either wrong or you're lying.

We went 3-0 as soon as he left.
Yes we did. Also, instead of Kentucky and Arizona we played Fordham and Texas Pan American. Just curious: do you think the sun rises because your alarm clock goes off?

Harrison plays better without Nuri. The fact that this thread pops up after we lose a close OT game where Greene and Harrison each had their best games of the season is f'ucking comical.
Of course when I was a younger comedian I worked blue, but with age came the realization that it's the force of rhetoric that carries the day, not mere vulgarity. The thing about you younger comediens is that you think your potty mouth is shocking the grown ups but it's nothing they haven't heard before.

And despite your expletive d'eleted, its obvious that the team would be much better with Lindsey. It's not even arguable: if nothing else he'd be another body. We'd certainly had been better on the last possession, when down by three the great Phil Greene walked the ball up the court and then cleverly passed it to some slug at the top of the key with three seconds left for the game losing shot.

We got 42 PTs from our backcourt today and this is the game we bring this thread REALLY? We lose the game on FT's
Interesting take. 21 turnovers, rebounding minus 16, Pinkston prison showers Achiewa, and yet we lost the game on free throws.


and this is the game we decide to bring up missing the worst shooting guard anyone has ever seen at STJ?
He's not close to the worst shooting guard I've ever seen at STJ.


REALLY? In a close ft match like this it would have been nice to depend on a 50% ft shooter
You don't seem to have thought this point through. According to you we lost the game because of actual free throws, taken by the actual players, who actually missed them. If that's so I'd much rather depend on hypothetical FTs, not taken, which have a 58 percent chance of going in.

..turnover machine.
21 actual TOs yesterday.

That would have been much preferred to 42 PTs on 50% shooting from our back court.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that we lost yesterday because Harrison fouled out. We blew a 10 point lead in a few minutes for a plethora of reasons. But Harrison fouling out certainly didn't help. Because he's really quite a good and nice player who I think has a chance to become the all time leading scorer at SJ if he stays 4 years. But with Lindsey on the roster Harrison might not have fouled out. If we are better with Harrison on the court and if yesterday Harrison might not have fouled out if there was a body to spell him, therefore yesterday we would have been better with Lindsey.

Anyway, you might want to hedge your bets here. If Lindsey succeeds at Rider you want to be able to say you really liked him while he was at Sj. You know, like your favorite player Cedric Jackson, who you fell in love with after his success at C State. Like you know how in the off season you jocked Malik Stith about how fast he was and whatever else just in case he didn't suck and now you don't mention him at all because he's awful? Like f'ucking that.
 
 Fun is right. We are missing a pg but what we were missing yesterday was dribble penetration, something that Lindsey was masterful at. He would have sliced through that Nova defense like Wayns did to us and it would have created ore opportunities for Harrison, Mo etc. the other thing is that had Lindsey been more open minded to coaching, he would probably have improved a lot. That's not to say he would have bought in, but I think we miss him a lot at this point because of his dribble penetration and the fact that losing him hurt us a ton depth-wise. We'll be fine with a very good Branch next year, but not doubt we miss Lindsey now, at least on the court.
 
 With lindsey we were 4-5 and averaging 68ppg....without lindsey we are 4-6 and averaging 63.5 per game....

One of our biggest concerns right now is not having a true PG. Lindsey was no where near a true PG, but neither is phil green (not yet anyways). So if I had to choose right now, I would take Lindsey in a heart beat, just because if we aren't going to have a real PG, I would much rather have a guy who can score with more efficiency.


Everyone was so excited when he left and saying how much better off we were...but I think we are missing him and needing him more than we initially anticipated we would....
 

We are certainly missing him.
 

No matter how good a player is if he doesnt want to be in the program itis better that he leaves for both he and
the the school;
 
 With lindsey we were 4-5 and averaging 68ppg....without lindsey we are 4-6 and averaging 63.5 per game....

One of our biggest concerns right now is not having a true PG. Lindsey was no where near a true PG, but neither is phil green (not yet anyways). So if I had to choose right now, I would take Lindsey in a heart beat, just because if we aren't going to have a real PG, I would much rather have a guy who can score with more efficiency.


Everyone was so excited when he left and saying how much better off we were...but I think we are missing him and needing him more than we initially anticipated we would....
 

So in other words our record is almost identical but we are playing much tougher opponents now that league play has started.
And I take Phil who is improving, who wants to distribute and make the team better.
Lindsey never would have become the pg we wanted, but his absence allowed us to get Jamal Branch who hopefully will be that player.
This year was a 12 win season with Nuri and not much different without.
We are better off without him for the future IMHO.
 

Bingo! As the level of competition increased Nuri's ineffectiveness, increased. How'd he be doing driving into the paint against BE teams, because that was his only offensive game?

Nuri knows the score, after flirting with high-major Arkansas, he decided on mid-major Rider.
 
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