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Are Colleges Producing Career-Ready Graduates?

New Book Calls On Schools to Focus on Improving Academic Standards, Not Students' Social Lives

By MELISSA KORN CONNECT
Sept. 3, 2014 3:19 p.m. ET
It's time to stop debating the value of a college education, say a pair of professors from New York University and the University of Virginia. Instead, they say in a new book, parents and employers should ask whether schools are doing much to help students become productive adults.


Sociologists Richard Arum and Josipa Roksa tracked more than 1,600 students during college and about 1,000 for two years after their 2009 graduation dates. Their findings are dismaying: Of the students who didn't go immediately into graduate school, slightly more than a quarter earned above $40,000 a year in a full-time job two years after graduation. Nearly three-quarters relied on their parents for at least some financial assistance.

Profs. Arum and Roksa, from NYU and UVA, respectively, have stinging words for American colleges.

Their 2011 book, "Academically Adrift," rankled administrators with their finding that schools reward students for minimal effort.

"Aspiring Adults Adrift" picks up where the earlier work left off, saying that colleges focus too much on students' social lives at the expense of a strong academic and career road map. What's more, the authors say, schools have given their charges an unrealistic sense of what it takes to achieve their life aims, resulting in overwhelming—and possibly unrealistic—optimism among young people about their prospects.

Many college leaders may take issue with the book's critiques, but a recent Inside Higher Ed/Gallup poll of more than 800 college presidents found that few felt that their schools are successfully teaching critical-thinking skills and connecting students with internship opportunities during school.

In a recent interview, Profs. Arum and Roksa discussed ways to improve the college-to-career transition. Edited excerpts:

WSJ: You argue in the book that people should stop asking whether it pays to attend college. What's the right question?

Prof. Arum: In a society with increasing economic inequality, it absolutely pays to go to college. We think the question is, "Are students getting the value for their time and money that they should be?"

Students aren't getting value for their money. We've reached these exorbitant costs in the U.S. not because we're investing in academic programs, but [because of] new student centers, athletic facilities. That has no relationship to the academic outcomes that one would hope students achieve.

Prof. Roksa: While the amenities and social engagement don't seem to matter for labor-market outcomes, some things that happen in college do matter. When students get internships in college, that leads to better employment outcomes afterward.

WSJ: Why are college graduates struggling to establish themselves?

Prof. Arum: They weren't adequately prepared during college to make successful transitions. They didn't develop critical thinking, complex reasoning [skills] and the ability to communicate in writing. [And] they didn't develop the attitudes and dispositions during college associated with adult success.

For many, [students'] typical experience was they studied alone little more than an hour a day, and for that effort they received high grades. The students in our study who studied alone five or fewer hours a week had a 3.2 grade average. So they learned in college that success comes relatively easily.

Prof. Roksa: Students don't blame colleges for their current difficulties in transitions in the labor market. Even when they're unemployed and living at home, they have a remarkable sense of optimism about the future. They don't necessarily see their current situation as problematic.

WSJ: Is their optimism unwarranted?

Prof. Arum: Optimism itself is good. It's associated with resilience and psychological health. The problem is the lack of grounding in skills, competencies, attitudes, dispositions, in knowing what it takes to realize the high expectations that the students hold.

WSJ: What are the broader implications of young adults' difficulty establishing themselves after college?

Prof. Roksa: We don't think that they're going to be a lost generation.

While middle-class and upper-middle-class students have the luxury of going to college and not having quite figured out what to do and then spending the rest of their 20s exploring, students from less advantaged families don't necessarily have that luxury to support this prolonged transition to adulthood. Inequality may grow even further.

WSJ: Should colleges think about doing things differently?

Prof. Arum: We would recommend higher education administrators focus on improving academic rigor and increasing the academic standards at their institutions. Those factors are associated with the development of general competencies—critical thinking, complex reasoning and writing—which are associated with a broad set of positive outcomes in terms of transitions to adulthood.

[We would also recommend] programs that facilitate school-to-work transitions, in terms of internships, apprenticeships, job placement programs. Business majors often make extensive use of those, and we see the utility for successful labor market transitions.

WSJ: How should colleges measure outcomes?

Prof. Roksa: Lots of the outcomes that you observe after college are much more a function of who students are and what they bring to college than what happens there.

We should evaluate college based on what it has primary control over: critical thinking, complex thinking, writing, as well as subject-specific skills. Colleges themselves don't necessarily have direct influence on the labor market. But they do have the ability to influence how much students learn [and] whether they develop the right attitudes.

Write to Melissa Korn at melissa.korn@wsj.com
 
Importing Good Examples
Most foreign students studying in the U.S. are focused on practical studies.

By THOMAS G. DONLAN
Sept. 6, 2014 3:12 a.m. ET
Maybe they're doing something right: American colleges and universities are highly regarded by an important subset of their students. One-fifth of students from other countries who study abroad are studying here in the U.S.

A recent Brookings Institution report found more than 800,000 foreign students in the U.S. in 2012, a record, and five times as many as were here in 2001. About 25% are from China, 15% from India, 10% from South Korea, and 5% from Saudi Arabia.

Some were sent here by their governments, others by their parents or their employers. Some come by their own unaided effort, making large financial sacrifices. No matter where the money comes from, foreign students mostly pay full freight to their institutions. From 2001 through 2012, they paid an estimated $56.5 billion in tuition and fees. Their living expenses added another $39.1 billion to U.S. gross domestic product.

The University of Southern California had the greatest number of foreign undergraduates, followed closely by Columbia University, the University of Illinois, New York University, and Purdue University.

Foreign students in the U.S. are focused on practical endeavors. Science, technology, engineering, and math are the undergraduate majors or advanced degrees pursued by 37% of foreign students. Another 32% are studying business, management, or marketing. The comparable percentages for all students in U.S. higher education are 27% in STEM fields and 21% in business studies.

Homecoming Season
This is a good season to ask why these students should have to leave when their student visas expire. About 45% of foreign graduates stay for a year or two after receiving degrees, but eventually they must qualify for another kind of visa or go home.

The U.S. economy should welcome highly motivated graduates of U.S. higher education, especially those who have already proved their worth to an American employer.

Some members of Congress have proposed stapling green cards to every STEM diploma, authorizing them to work in the U.S. Others believe that they should be forbidden to compete with Americans because they will drive down wages.

Though the wage argument may be true sometimes, in the short run, there is no finite supply of jobs. Most of the time, the economy expands to employ the people who have needed skills. And immigrant entrepreneurs are among the most important creators of new businesses in the U.S. -- as they have been for more than a century.

Vivek Wadhwa, an itinerant entrepreneur, researcher, and author, raised an important warning a couple of years ago in his book The Immigrant Exodus: Why America Is Losing the Global Race to Capture Entrepreneurial Talent. He documented a slowdown in immigrant-founded start-up companies in the U.S. He blamed it partly on the difficult path to a U.S. green card and partly on the increasing effort of foreign governments -- particularly China and India -- to provide opportunities for their citizens to use their American educations. It drew scant notice from U.S. lawmakers and the executive branch.

Returns on Investment
Foreign students and the people paying for them seem to regard American higher education as an important investment with unquestionably high returns. That leaves American students, parents, employers, and governments with a hard question: Why don't we put higher education higher on our lists of important investments?

The federal government subsidizes student loans and loans to higher-education institutions for construction of dormitories, classrooms, and laboratories. It also hires countless academics to do research, most of whom kick back some of their fees to their universities. But the feds don't spend enough on support of higher-education institutions.

State and local governments have been cutting their support of higher education. Private colleges and universities have not enlarged as fast as student demand, even though they have added nonteaching staff at remarkable rates.

Meanwhile, parents are finding that their children's higher education is less and less affordable. The price keeps going up, partly because the federal government provides easy, subsidized student loans. The loans leave colleges and universities with more freedom to raise tuition and fees, even though this leaves graduates and dropouts with heavier financial burdens.

The Right Investment
While we celebrate attracting talented foreign students, Americans also should be worrying about the value of contemporary college educations. Two books by Richard Arum and Josipa Roksa offer gloomy reports on what students actually get out of college.

In the first, Academically Adrift: Limited Learning on College Campuses, the authors examined students' attainment of skills in critical thinking and analytical reasoning. More than a third made no progress after four years of college.

Arum and Roksa also surveyed a cohort of 1,600 students from the class of 2009 at 25 colleges, probing their studies and attitudes. They found that 32% of the students in each semester were not taking courses with more than 40 pages of reading assigned each week. Half were getting by in courses in which they did not have to write more than 20 pages per semester. This seemed to explain why the average student was spending only 12 to 14 hours studying each week.

For their new book, Aspiring Adults Adrift: Tentative Transitions of College Graduates, Arum and Roksa followed the same students and found them having difficulty finding permanent full-time jobs, assuming financial responsibility, developing stable romantic relationships, and moving out of their parents' homes.

Those American students who followed the examples of their fellow students from foreign countries did better. The Americans who studied business, science, technology, engineering, and math -- and those who studied harder and took a variety of challenging courses, including liberal arts courses -- moved into adulthood more successfully.

Editorial page editor THOMAS G. DONLAN receives e-mail at tg.donlan@barrons.com.
 
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Are Colleges Producing Career-Ready Graduates?

New Book Calls On Schools to Focus on Improving Academic Standards, Not Students' Social Lives

By MELISSA KORN CONNECT
Sept. 3, 2014 3:19 p.m. ET
It's time to stop debating the value of a college education, say a pair of professors from New York University and the University of Virginia. Instead, they say in a new book, parents and employers should ask whether schools are doing much to help students become productive adults.


Sociologists Richard Arum and Josipa Roksa tracked more than 1,600 students during college and about 1,000 for two years after their 2009 graduation dates. Their findings are dismaying: Of the students who didn't go immediately into graduate school, slightly more than a quarter earned above $40,000 a year in a full-time job two years after graduation. Nearly three-quarters relied on their parents for at least some financial assistance.

Profs. Arum and Roksa, from NYU and UVA, respectively, have stinging words for American colleges.

Their 2011 book, "Academically Adrift," rankled administrators with their finding that schools reward students for minimal effort.

"Aspiring Adults Adrift" picks up where the earlier work left off, saying that colleges focus too much on students' social lives at the expense of a strong academic and career road map. What's more, the authors say, schools have given their charges an unrealistic sense of what it takes to achieve their life aims, resulting in overwhelming—and possibly unrealistic—optimism among young people about their prospects.

Many college leaders may take issue with the book's critiques, but a recent Inside Higher Ed/Gallup poll of more than 800 college presidents found that few felt that their schools are successfully teaching critical-thinking skills and connecting students with internship opportunities during school.

In a recent interview, Profs. Arum and Roksa discussed ways to improve the college-to-career transition. Edited excerpts:

WSJ: You argue in the book that people should stop asking whether it pays to attend college. What's the right question?

Prof. Arum: In a society with increasing economic inequality, it absolutely pays to go to college. We think the question is, "Are students getting the value for their time and money that they should be?"

Students aren't getting value for their money. We've reached these exorbitant costs in the U.S. not because we're investing in academic programs, but [because of] new student centers, athletic facilities. That has no relationship to the academic outcomes that one would hope students achieve.

Prof. Roksa: While the amenities and social engagement don't seem to matter for labor-market outcomes, some things that happen in college do matter. When students get internships in college, that leads to better employment outcomes afterward.

WSJ: Why are college graduates struggling to establish themselves?

Prof. Arum: They weren't adequately prepared during college to make successful transitions. They didn't develop critical thinking, complex reasoning [skills] and the ability to communicate in writing. [And] they didn't develop the attitudes and dispositions during college associated with adult success.

For many, [students'] typical experience was they studied alone little more than an hour a day, and for that effort they received high grades. The students in our study who studied alone five or fewer hours a week had a 3.2 grade average. So they learned in college that success comes relatively easily.

Prof. Roksa: Students don't blame colleges for their current difficulties in transitions in the labor market. Even when they're unemployed and living at home, they have a remarkable sense of optimism about the future. They don't necessarily see their current situation as problematic.

WSJ: Is their optimism unwarranted?

Prof. Arum: Optimism itself is good. It's associated with resilience and psychological health. The problem is the lack of grounding in skills, competencies, attitudes, dispositions, in knowing what it takes to realize the high expectations that the students hold.

WSJ: What are the broader implications of young adults' difficulty establishing themselves after college?

Prof. Roksa: We don't think that they're going to be a lost generation.

While middle-class and upper-middle-class students have the luxury of going to college and not having quite figured out what to do and then spending the rest of their 20s exploring, students from less advantaged families don't necessarily have that luxury to support this prolonged transition to adulthood. Inequality may grow even further.

WSJ: Should colleges think about doing things differently?

Prof. Arum: We would recommend higher education administrators focus on improving academic rigor and increasing the academic standards at their institutions. Those factors are associated with the development of general competencies—critical thinking, complex reasoning and writing—which are associated with a broad set of positive outcomes in terms of transitions to adulthood.

[We would also recommend] programs that facilitate school-to-work transitions, in terms of internships, apprenticeships, job placement programs. Business majors often make extensive use of those, and we see the utility for successful labor market transitions.

WSJ: How should colleges measure outcomes?

Prof. Roksa: Lots of the outcomes that you observe after college are much more a function of who students are and what they bring to college than what happens there.

We should evaluate college based on what it has primary control over: critical thinking, complex thinking, writing, as well as subject-specific skills. Colleges themselves don't necessarily have direct influence on the labor market. But they do have the ability to influence how much students learn [and] whether they develop the right attitudes.

Write to Melissa Korn at melissa.korn@wsj.com


First of all, I firmly believe that college truly can't prepare you for your career. You go to college to learn how to learn, how to work with others, and how to retain information. You will learn more in on-the-job training than you ever will in a classroom.

But back to the article itself, I don't think that the colleges are inadequately preparing these students....I think that its the 'self-entitlement' that recent college graduates have. It's not that they don't know how to do the work, or that they can't successfully transition into the working world, but rather it's just that they don't want to. Most jobs out there now are entry level positions, and kids now don't want anything to do with them. They all expect to start with a really good job with a really good starting salary. I have my MBA and work in the exciting world of accounting, and my company has a full time intern at all times in my department. If I have learned one thing about our interns in the past it is this, graduates these days are too good for their jobs, and anything you give them to do is somehow beneath them.

Where I'm from, you started at the bottom and worked your way up. Nowadays, students don't think like that, they expect to start at the top, and if they don't, they don't care about the job.
 
Today, the primary goal of colleges is to produce Democrats. Anything after that is gravy. However, there are things that can be done.

Colleges such as Babson in Massachusetts are a model of how to prepare their business students for careers.
They have an very successful internship program and also, rely heavily on real world experience business teachers rather
than academics. When I was at IBM, Babson produced some great Marketing and Business Analysis seminars on campus,
inviting top management from various companies. While not directed at the student community, the seminars had student
assistance and participation and became a spawning ground for future recruitment.

When I presented to the SJU Business School, the concept of St Johns producing a Far East international business program, where managers in international business firms would be invited, and had positive response from CEO's in Japan, Korea and Hong Kong to participate, I never even got the courtesy of an answer.
 
In my opinion too many kids go to college inadequately prepared for a college education. Curriculums at the lower 50% of schools are not overall particularly challenging. Many students leave with degrees in hand not being particularly knowledgeable about anything , and write and speak poorly. They are having an incredibly tough time landing a real job, and are duped into thinking it's just a bad economy. The reality is that we now live in a global jobs market with so many jobs outsourced that many graduates are competing with graduates from all over the world, especially in IT. Throw in the fact that technology has reduced the manpower needs in many white collar businesses, that many recent college graduates will never land a job commensurate with the degree they think holds value greater than their abilities.
 
Today, the primary goal of colleges is to produce Democrats. Anything after that is gravy. However, there are things that can be done.

Colleges such as Babson in Massachusetts are a model of how to prepare their business students for careers.
They have an very successful internship program and also, rely heavily on real world experience business teachers rather
than academics. When I was at IBM, Babson produced some great Marketing and Business Analysis seminars on campus,
inviting top management from various companies. While not directed at the student community, the seminars had student
assistance and participation and became a spawning ground for future recruitment.

When I presented to the SJU Business School, the concept of St Johns producing a Far East international business program, where managers in international business firms would be invited, and had positive response from CEO's in Japan, Korea and Hong Kong to participate, I never even got the courtesy of an answer.

Do you believe St. John's goal is producing Democrats?
 
Today, the primary goal of colleges is to produce Democrats. Anything after that is gravy. However, there are things that can be done.

Colleges such as Babson in Massachusetts are a model of how to prepare their business students for careers.
They have an very successful internship program and also, rely heavily on real world experience business teachers rather
than academics. When I was at IBM, Babson produced some great Marketing and Business Analysis seminars on campus,
inviting top management from various companies. While not directed at the student community, the seminars had student
assistance and participation and became a spawning ground for future recruitment.

When I presented to the SJU Business School, the concept of St Johns producing a Far East international business program, where managers in international business firms would be invited, and had positive response from CEO's in Japan, Korea and Hong Kong to participate, I never even got the courtesy of an answer.

Do you believe St. John's goal is producing Democrats?
well most of the students are receiving financial aid so it makes sense. lol
 
No. On of the rare few, sorry for the gentle elbow to the ribs.

However, when visiting most campuses in the NE it is readily apparent that the socio-political drift is very strongly to the left. I am not simply talking Democrat; perhaps a few ticks more to the left.
 
Today, the primary goal of colleges is to produce Democrats. Anything after that is gravy. However, there are things that can be done.

Colleges such as Babson in Massachusetts are a model of how to prepare their business students for careers.
They have an very successful internship program and also, rely heavily on real world experience business teachers rather
than academics. When I was at IBM, Babson produced some great Marketing and Business Analysis seminars on campus,
inviting top management from various companies. While not directed at the student community, the seminars had student
assistance and participation and became a spawning ground for future recruitment.

When I presented to the SJU Business School, the concept of St Johns producing a Far East international business program, where managers in international business firms would be invited, and had positive response from CEO's in Japan, Korea and Hong Kong to participate, I never even got the courtesy of an answer.

Let's be fair, they educate our youth. The natural progression from becoming educated is becoming a Democrat (and an atheist, but I digress). ;)
 
No. On of the rare few, sorry for the gentle elbow to the ribs.

However, when visiting most campuses in the NE it is readily apparent that the socio-political drift is very strongly to the left. I am not simply talking Democrat; perhaps a few ticks more to the left.

As a 40 year New England resident who has a daughter (professor) in the biz, I can tell you we'd have it no other way.
Can't smoke up here, can't easily obtain guns up here and you can marry whoever the hell you want.
 
I kind of yearn for the good old days, when the opposition party wasn't evil, just a different perspective, and both parties could bring their own views and those of their constituents to the table and collaboratively try to figure out what was right for America. They respected each other, and wouldn't hesitate for cross the aisle to vote with their hearts, not to protect special interests.

Some of you lean differently than I do politically, but the sense is today that if someone is politically of a different persuasion that they are the enemy. I hope in my lifetime that we return to the good old days, for in that regard, the good old days were markedly better than the polarized political environment in which we live.
 
Not sure if it was Sir Winston Churchill who said "If you are 20 and you are not a Socialist you have no heart and if you are 30 and you are still a Socialist, you have no brain."
 
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