Another Big East Pre-Seaon Poll

No way do I see Sanchez coming off the bench.

I think Dom will be the sixth man, because if we get off to a slow start, his energy will pick us up. If we get off to a great start, his energy can step on the other team's throats, and maybe put the game away early.
 
Sorry to beat a dead horse, but the media contributes to it as well. Can we please just make sure Creighton can hang 1 yr in a major conference before just assuming that they will saw through the Big East with 1 true stud on the team with no transition period? I'm all for giving them tons of props if they can finish top 3 next year. I need to see it proven first though. McDermott will likely be very good again, but you don't win with 1 player. They lose a great defensive player and likely his setup man Gibbs. That's huge. 2/3 of their best players instantly gone (unless Gibbs somehow gets cleared for a 6th year which I hear is unlikely). It took everything Creighton had to beat an overrated Cincy team in the tourney that practically every new Big East team beat last year including us.

I just don't see them coming in here and ripping G'Town, Nova, Marquette, Xavier, Butler, etc. on the regular. Our #8 team will be better than many 1st place mid major teams. The athleticism, size, and talent is a big step up in our conference from the MVC regardless of what anyone says. Don't get me wrong, I want Creighton to succeed now that they are carrying the torch for our much-diminished conference, but I just don't understand why the media just assumes they will make a big jump and lose 2 major players with no ill effects.
 
I have news for you Joe, there are many who will look at the new Big East and consider it a Mid-Major. I personally don't agree with that, but until we prove that we can hang with the so called BCS Conferences, there may be some merit to it. My point is this, who cares what the media says about Creighton, as a STJ fan you should be rooting for them to be as good as advertised only b/c in the end, we as a conference will have a lot to prove in the next coming years, and the more good teams we have the better we will be in the long run. Believe me there are some out there who think our league will be a 3 bid league come March.
 
I have news for you Joe, there are many who will look at the new Big East and consider it a Mid-Major. I personally don't agree with that, but until we prove that we can hang with the so called BCS Conferences, there may be some merit to it. My point is this, who cares what the media says about Creighton, as a STJ fan you should be rooting for them to be as good as advertised only b/c in the end, we as a conference will have a lot to prove in the next coming years, and the more good teams we have the better we will be in the long run. Believe me there are some out there who think our league will be a 3 bid league come March.
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If anyone thinks the Big East is a mid major conference they are just complete fools and probably a Cuse/Pitt/ND fan that ditched us. G'Town, Nova, and Marquette are among the best teams in college basketball year after year. Xavier routinely faced top competition with tough OOC schedules and they were a constant in the top 25. Butler was amazing with 3 star recruits...now just imagine them with 4 and 5 star recruits with a great coach. If Creighton can make the jump seamlessly then throw them in with G'Town, Nova, and Marquette as 4 constant top 25 teams. The only thing you won't see are the #5 or #2 rankings next to our teams. But you will definitely see more #15, #17, #22's. We have way too much history, recognition, and success combined in basketball to be considered mid major. Honestly though, who cares what ACC trolls say about the Big East? Last year we had 2 ranked wins, Nova had 3 in the top 5, Marquette was red hot, and G'Town was white hot until they had that early exit. Major conferences and mid major conferences are already known...the AAC is more like the C-USA now, and though we resemble the A-10, we have much more high-end teams than they ever had and we are much deeper.
 
Sorry to beat a dead horse,
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Yah, you never do that. Your horse has been beaten to death, rendered into Jello, eaten, digested, excreted, turned into fertilizer, the hay from which eaten by another horse, and that horse having run at Finger Lakes in a 4K maiden claimer and then beaten to death and turned into Kibbles.


but the media contributes to it as well. Can we please just make sure Creighton can hang 1 yr in a major conference before just assuming that they will saw through the Big East with 1 true stud on the team with no transition period?
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We know how Creighton will fare in a mid major conference. The question to be answered this season is: how will SJ fare in a mid major conference.
 
I have news for you Joe, there are many who will look at the new Big East and consider it a Mid-Major. I personally don't agree with that, but until we prove that we can hang with the so called BCS Conferences, there may be some merit to it. My point is this, who cares what the media says about Creighton, as a STJ fan you should be rooting for them to be as good as advertised only b/c in the end, we as a conference will have a lot to prove in the next coming years, and the more good teams we have the better we will be in the long run. Believe me there are some out there who think our league will be a 3 bid league come March.
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If anyone thinks the Big East is a mid major conference they are just complete fools and probably a Cuse/Pitt/ND fan that ditched us. G'Town, Nova, and Marquette are among the best teams in college basketball year after year. Xavier routinely faced top competition with tough OOC schedules and they were a constant in the top 25. Butler was amazing with 3 star recruits...now just imagine them with 4 and 5 star recruits with a great coach. If Creighton can make the jump seamlessly then throw them in with G'Town, Nova, and Marquette as 4 constant top 25 teams. The only thing you won't see are the #5 or #2 rankings next to our teams. But you will definitely see more #15, #17, #22's. We have way too much history, recognition, and success combined in basketball to be considered mid major. Honestly though, who cares what ACC trolls say about the Big East? Last year we had 2 ranked wins, Nova had 3 in the top 5, Marquette was red hot, and G'Town was white hot until they had that early exit. Major conferences and mid major conferences are already known...the AAC is more like the C-USA now, and though we resemble the A-10, we have much more high-end teams than they ever had and we are much deeper.
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I couldn't agree with you more but it's not ACC trolls that I'm worried about, it's the NCAA Selection Committee. Bottom line is until we see how many teams we send to the Dance, we really can't assume that we are going to be viewed as a power conference. Not having Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, UConn & ND on our schedule every year will have an impact (we do get Cuse the next 2 years though). I guess the question is, how many at large bids does a conference need to get to be viewed as a mid-major? Only time will tell.
 
Being major vs. mid major doesn't go by how many bids your conference gets. The Pac 10 is a major conference and only sends a few. If the MAAC got 5 bids somehow 1 crazy year they would still not be a major conference. We are in the Big East which was obviously a power conference before and is still a power conference though weakened. We still play the best teams in the nation...that won't change at all. We still have MSG. We still have a big TV deal. Hell we even have SNY cover us locally and our own show on it. This is the big leagues. Though it's not the ACC or even Big Ten, it doesn't mean we aren't big time. Look the conference up and down...we have arguably the deepest in the country. The only weak links are Seton Hall (ranked recently) and DePaul (veteran squad that can surprise people).

Look to the AAC and they have teams like SMU, Tulane, East Carolina, Houston, Tulsa, UCF, etc. they will drag Memphis, Temple, Cincy, and UConn down a ton. I still wished UConn and Cincy would have put their football in the MAC and joined us for all other sports, but oh well. Top to bottom we will be a very solid conference. Maybe not 6 or 7 bids but 3-5 each year is very doable. If anyone could make an argument for a conference turning from major to mid major, it's the AAC, not us.
 
Being major vs mid major doesn't go by how many bids the league gets? What planet are you on? Then why do the so called Power Conferences average between 5 to 7 bids each year and the so called Mid Majors average between 2 to 3 bids? I'm sorry but if we turn into a league that averages 3 bids with the programs that we have, that would be mid-major. Don't be fooled, what happened with the PAC-12 is not an every year occurrence for them. If you think 3 bids is sufficient for a "power conference" you are mistaken. Personally I don't see that happening, I really think we will have between 5 to 6 legitimate tournament teams. My point is that we will not be viewed as the Big East that would get 8 to 10 teams b/c most those regulars are gone. TV and MSG don't guarantee NCAA bids, just ask any St. John's fan the last 11 years.
 
Being major vs mid major doesn't go by how many bids the league gets? What planet are you on? Then why do the so called Power Conferences average between 5 to 7 bids each year and the so called Mid Majors average between 2 to 3 bids? I'm sorry but if we turn into a league that averages 3 bids with the programs that we have, that would be mid-major. Don't be fooled, what happened with the PAC-12 is not an every year occurrence for them. If you think 3 bids is sufficient for a "power conference" you are mistaken. Personally I don't see that happening, I really think we will have between 5 to 6 legitimate tournament teams. My point is that we will not be viewed as the Big East that would get 8 to 10 teams b/c most those regulars are gone. TV and MSG don't guarantee NCAA bids, just ask any St. John's fan the last 11 years.
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A-10 earned more bids than the ACC last year. The conference Itself won't be the issue. This Big Eqst conference is extremely deep this coming season and I see at least 4-5 bids. We will have to show-out a bit OOC though, which will be important in terms of the rep our conference gets.
 
Being major vs mid major doesn't go by how many bids the league gets? What planet are you on? Then why do the so called Power Conferences average between 5 to 7 bids each year and the so called Mid Majors average between 2 to 3 bids? I'm sorry but if we turn into a league that averages 3 bids with the programs that we have, that would be mid-major. Don't be fooled, what happened with the PAC-12 is not an every year occurrence for them. If you think 3 bids is sufficient for a "power conference" you are mistaken. Personally I don't see that happening, I really think we will have between 5 to 6 legitimate tournament teams. My point is that we will not be viewed as the Big East that would get 8 to 10 teams b/c most those regulars are gone. TV and MSG don't guarantee NCAA bids, just ask any St. John's fan the last 11 years.
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A-10 earned more bids than the ACC last year. The conference Itself won't be the issue. This Big Eqst conference is extremely deep this coming season and I see at least 4-5 bids. We will have to show-out a bit OOC though, which will be important in terms of the rep our conference gets.
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Bingo MCN... and anyone who considers the re-aligned Big East a "mid-major" conference is a complete and utter moron.
 
Being major vs mid major doesn't go by how many bids the league gets? What planet are you on? Then why do the so called Power Conferences average between 5 to 7 bids each year and the so called Mid Majors average between 2 to 3 bids? I'm sorry but if we turn into a league that averages 3 bids with the programs that we have, that would be mid-major. Don't be fooled, what happened with the PAC-12 is not an every year occurrence for them. If you think 3 bids is sufficient for a "power conference" you are mistaken. Personally I don't see that happening, I really think we will have between 5 to 6 legitimate tournament teams. My point is that we will not be viewed as the Big East that would get 8 to 10 teams b/c most those regulars are gone. TV and MSG don't guarantee NCAA bids, just ask any St. John's fan the last 11 years.
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A-10 earned more bids than the ACC last year. The conference Itself won't be the issue. This Big Eqst conference is extremely deep this coming season and I see at least 4-5 bids. We will have to show-out a bit OOC though, which will be important in terms of the rep our conference gets.
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I know but I am sure you won't call the ACC a mid-major because of a down year would you? If the A-10 outbid the ACC every year then you would have a stronger point. That said, I agree with you, I think this will be a deep conference and hopefully we will get 5 or more teams. To me 4 or less would be disappointing. Like I said before, I don't see us as a mid-major and I agree with Joe that anyone who does is probably an ACC troll. This is going to be a fun ride in my opinion.
 
Agree with most points. I think we will be much deeper than many people are giving us credit for. But you can't say the MAAC would all of a sudden become a power conference after a few years of 4 bids. Those schools would still be small time in the sports scene. People would be saying "yeah well they only beat other mid majors so their win totals are inflated". As others said, I think our league is strong enough but a solid OOC will put us over the top.

And by the way Fun, we don't know how Creighton will do in a major conference. The MVC is not major. They only had 1 other team in Wichita State that could truly be their match talent wise. Are you honestly saying teams like Bradley and Southern Illinois will pose the same threat to Creighton as Butler, Xavier, Providence, St. John's, etc?
 
Being major vs mid major doesn't go by how many bids the league gets? What planet are you on? Then why do the so called Power Conferences average between 5 to 7 bids each year and the so called Mid Majors average between 2 to 3 bids? I'm sorry but if we turn into a league that averages 3 bids with the programs that we have, that would be mid-major. Don't be fooled, what happened with the PAC-12 is not an every year occurrence for them. If you think 3 bids is sufficient for a "power conference" you are mistaken. Personally I don't see that happening, I really think we will have between 5 to 6 legitimate tournament teams. My point is that we will not be viewed as the Big East that would get 8 to 10 teams b/c most those regulars are gone. TV and MSG don't guarantee NCAA bids, just ask any St. John's fan the last 11 years.
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A-10 earned more bids than the ACC last year. The conference Itself won't be the issue. This Big Eqst conference is extremely deep this coming season and I see at least 4-5 bids. We will have to show-out a bit OOC though, which will be important in terms of the rep our conference gets.
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I know but I am sure you won't call the ACC a mid-major because of a down year would you? If the A-10 outbid the ACC every year then you would have a stronger point. That said, I agree with you, I think this will be a deep conference and hopefully we will get 5 or more teams. To me 4 or less would be disappointing. Like I said before, I don't see us as a mid-major and I agree with Joe that anyone who does is probably an ACC troll. This is going to be a fun ride in my opinion.
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Fwiw, most of the ACC is mid major up until this coming year. That is why they raided the Big East. It was a sham of a conference except for Duke and UNC. When Gary Williams retired, they had 2 big powers and nobody else. Other than that there was a run or two by Georgia Tech, but the rest was mid-major and carried by Duke and UNC.

I don't buy into those who think the Big East is a mid-major. It is ridiculous. Providence is ranked in the second tier and they are better than most of the "prior" ACC. This Lesgue will be extremely deep this year and once the season is over, I don't think most pundits will have doubts. This league down to our conference tourney will be extremely tight.
 
See Sanchez starting from day one since he has been practicing with the team all last yr
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I also don't think the Georgetown fans and many don't know about Sanchez and don't factor him in when making their BE predictions.
 
Georgetown fans also probably had their team making it to the second round of the NCAA tournament the last 2 seasons. I wouldn't put much stock into their predictions.
 
See Sanchez starting from day one since he has been practicing with the team all last yr
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I also don't think the Georgetown fans and many don't know about Sanchez and don't factor him in when making their BE predictions.
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It's obvious the Hoya fans have no idea how strong a lineup we can play. Not only don't they know about Sanchez or the return of God's Gift. We not only have a talented, experienced starting team but a bench as well. I still believe we will be in the top three of the Big East.
 
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