ACC to take basketball only school/s?

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BuckNasty85

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 Take this with a grain of salt because it is just a rumor right now but there are many people connected with Villanova that feel that there might be some type of deal with the ACC where they join as a basketball only school. Some are saying Villanova might drop the football program, while others are saying they will keep it with the hopes of eventually getting their football team as a member of the ACC as well. Regardless, their football team is a member of a different conference than the Big East to begin with so this shouldn't really matter if Villanova joins the ACC for other sports anyway. My question is if the ACC is coming after Villanova as a basketball only school, why not take St. John's as well? You will then have a grasp on both the Philly and New York markets. Anybody hearing anything that might make this seem like it is a possibility?
 
 Take this with a grain of salt because it is just a rumor right now but there are many people connected with Villanova that feel that there might be some type of deal with the ACC where they join as a basketball only school. Some are saying Villanova might drop the football program, while others are saying they will keep it with the hopes of eventually getting their football team as a member of the ACC as well. Regardless, their football team is a member of a different conference than the Big East to begin with so this shouldn't really matter if Villanova joins the ACC for other sports anyway. My question is if the ACC is coming after Villanova as a basketball only school, why not take St. John's as well? You will then have a grasp on both the Philly and New York markets. Anybody hearing anything that might make this seem like it is a possibility?
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If the ACC were to take any bball only it would not be Nova. They have no need for a non-football playing school in the Philly market. If they took any school it'd likely be SJU or Georgetown IMO, but it isnt realistic regardless. the folks at Nova have some serious delusions, even in their application to th ACC.
 
 Take this with a grain of salt because it is just a rumor right now but there are many people connected with Villanova that feel that there might be some type of deal with the ACC where they join as a basketball only school. Some are saying Villanova might drop the football program, while others are saying they will keep it with the hopes of eventually getting their football team as a member of the ACC as well. Regardless, their football team is a member of a different conference than the Big East to begin with so this shouldn't really matter if Villanova joins the ACC for other sports anyway. My question is if the ACC is coming after Villanova as a basketball only school, why not take St. John's as well? You will then have a grasp on both the Philly and New York markets. Anybody hearing anything that might make this seem like it is a possibility?
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If the ACC were to take any bball only it would not be Nova. They have no need for a non-football playing school in the Philly market. If they took any school it'd likely be SJU or Georgetown IMO, but it isnt realistic regardless. the folks at Nova have some serious delusions, even in their application to th ACC.
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Delusional and arrogant! Many of their Alums have taken to sports blogs to plug Nova as the Catholic Duke!! LMAO!
I think after their latest embarrassing loss in football in front of 6,000 lonely fans at Nova stadium the administration may finally see the light as far as their BCS aspirations go.
 
I agree that the original poster is likely a troll, but I'm actually not sure why conferences are so anti-basketball if the potential TV market is huge and the basketball side of things actually improves. ACC could bring in UConn, St. John's, Georgetown, and Rutgers and have 16 teams for football and three 6-team divisions for basketball. I'd even substitute Rutgers with Tulane for the New Orleans market.

Pittsburgh
Syracuse
Boston College
UConn
St. John's
Rutgers

Georgetown
Maryland
Virginia
Viginia Tech
Duke
UNC

N.C. State
Wake Forest
Clemson
Georgia Tech
FSU
Miami

Of course I'm biased and want to see us in a top conference, but I don't think the above scenario is as outlandish as the football-biased conferences would believe.
 
I agree that the original poster is likely a troll, but I'm actually not sure why conferences are so anti-basketball if the potential TV market is huge and the basketball side of things actually improves. ACC could bring in UConn, St. John's, Georgetown, and Rutgers and have 16 teams for football and three 6-team divisions for basketball. I'd even substitute Rutgers with Tulane for the New Orleans market.

Pittsburgh
Syracuse
Boston College
UConn
St. John's
Rutgers

Georgetown
Maryland
Virginia
Viginia Tech
Duke
UNC

N.C. State
Wake Forest
Clemson
Georgia Tech
FSU
Miami

Of course I'm biased and want to see us in a top conference, but I don't think the above scenario is as outlandish as the football-biased conferences would believe.
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It's not totally outlandish. I think that Nova fans are crazy if they think the ACC would have any interest in a suburban Philly school with more in common with bucknell than duke. If offered entrance to ACC for bball only, no doubt SJU would probably have to take it. I have my doubts as to it really being a realistic possibility.
 
I have a huge project due tomorrow ... so instead I'll burn valuable time here with another proposal that the ACC would never consider. Kill Rutgers from my previous plan, and add Villanova. And add Navy for football only.

ACC ends up with best basketball conference in country by far. And is first major conference to reach 16 teams in football. Most will stink, but networks who want access to the basketball side of things will ante up for football.

Basketball:

Pittsburgh
Syracuse
Boston College
UConn
St. John's
Villanova

Georgetown
Maryland
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Duke
UNC

N.C. State
Wake Forest
Clemson
Georgia Tech
FSU
Miami


Football:

Pittsburgh
Syracuse
Boston College
UConn
Maryland
Virginia
Viginia Tech
Navy

Duke
UNC
N.C. State
Wake Forest
Clemson
Georgia Tech
FSU
Miami

And football fans who dislike change get to see the same conference championship nine times a decade -- Va. Tech vs. FSU.

Anyone with a connection at ACC headquarters should feel free to submit my proposal. :cheer:
 
 I'm starting to like a smaller combined football/bball league better. Any schools that want to try to make a jump, be my guest. Bring in temple, Memphis, Xavier and a few others. Bring in army and navy for football alone if you like just to keep a league with enough teams for a BCS bid. I think conference would be marketable enough, especially from bball side, and bball would drive the boat. It would be a football league equivalent to CUSA, but focused on having the best bball schools on board.

St. John's
Uconn (football)
Georgetown
Marquette
Depaul
Nova (with D1 football)
Temple (football)
Xavier
Notre dame
Army(football only)
Navy (football only)
? Air force
USF (football)
Providence
Memphis(football)
WVU(football)
Seton hall
Rutgers(football)
Louisville(football)

That's an excellent bball conference and competitive at every level. Bottom line is that most of those schools are not desired by the mega conferences. It would be a solid if not spectacular football conference with enough bids for BCS status depending +\- a team or two. I just dont see the big 12 nor ACC taking more than a team or two more from this group, and the league could survive without one or two from that group if not more. Big east needs 8 -10 teams to have s football league. The death of the league is possibly being exaggerated as there are schools out there that would allow both football and bball to co-exist under the big east name. Right now we're just seeing the big dogs claiming their share. The reason existing football schools don't want a Memphis is exactly why they'd be perfect. Great bball program and fair football program.
 
Not a troll. Have posted in other threads as well. I agree that G'Town would probably make the most sense since they are closer to ACC country than Villanova and SJU, but the feelings are that Maryland already has a lock on the DC market and will fight their hardest to prevent G'Town from getting into the ACC. Guys, this isn't coming from left field, if you haven't noticed there is quite a shake up going on right now in major college sports conferences and there is A LOT going on behind the scenes that we don't know about. This is just some information I have heard from realiable sources. I mean Villanova is playing Delaware at PPL Stadium this year to more or less show big time football conferences they have stadium options to move up to I-A. These messageboards are for people to post things like this.  Settle it down folks, not here to hurt people's feelings, just to share what people are talking about elsewhere in the conference. No disrespect intended.
 
 I'm starting to like a smaller combined football/bball league better. Any schools that want to try to make a jump, be my guest. Bring in temple, Memphis, Xavier and a few others. Bring in army and navy for football alone if you like just to keep a league with enough teams for a BCS bid. I think conference would be marketable enough, especially from bball side, and bball would drive the boat. It would be a football league equivalent to CUSA, but focused on having the best bball schools on board.
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I'm a fan of everyone making up their damn minds as soon as possible so we know what we are working with. I think my top choice now is Big East leftovers joining with Conference USA for football only. Call it the Big East. Or the BECUSA. As far as basketball and all other sports, those football teams that remain unraided from the Big East are welcome to stay with the eight Catholic schools, and I definitely want Memphis, Xavier, and Temple as the first three invites.

I'd love to see Louisville stay, but I think they are gone. I've never been thrilled by South Florida. I wish someone would take them off our hands and leave us with Louisville, Cincy, West Virginia, Rutgers, and UConn; the eight Catholics; and Temple, Memphis, and Xavier.
 
Not a troll. Have posted in other threads as well. I agree that G'Town would probably make the most sense since they are closer to ACC country than Villanova and SJU, but the feelings are that Maryland already has a lock on the DC market and will fight their hardest to prevent G'Town from getting into the ACC. Guys, this isn't coming from left field, if you haven't noticed there is quite a shake up going on right now in major college sports conferences and there is A LOT going on behind the scenes that we don't know about. This is just some information I have heard from realiable sources. I mean Villanova is playing Delaware at PPL Stadium this year to more or less show big time football conferences they have stadium options to move up to I-A. These messageboards are for people to post things like this.  Settle it down folks, not here to hurt people's feelings, just to share what people are talking about elsewhere in the conference. No disrespect intended.
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Not disrespectful at a all. I just think that this stuff is not anything being spoken about except by people at Nova. ACC has no need for a suburban philly team without a viable football program, not even close. IMO the only bball school that could conceivably be attractive is actually SJU, not Georgetown. SJU is the only major bball school in the NYC market. ACC showed their interest in that already by snatching Syracuse and Swofford trying to lay claim to MSG for the ACC tourney. I'm not saying this because I'm a SJU fan. The ACC's interest in the NY market is more than apparent. Nova one Georgetown offer the ACC anything thy don't already have, not even close.
 
 I'm starting to like a smaller combined football/bball league better. Any schools that want to try to make a jump, be my guest. Bring in temple, Memphis, Xavier and a few others. Bring in army and navy for football alone if you like just to keep a league with enough teams for a BCS bid. I think conference would be marketable enough, especially from bball side, and bball would drive the boat. It would be a football league equivalent to CUSA, but focused on having the best bball schools on board.
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I'm a fan of everyone making up their damn minds as soon as possible so we know what we are working with. I think my top choice now is Big East leftovers joining with Conference USA for football only. Call it the Big East. Or the BECUSA. As far as basketball and all other sports, those football teams that remain unraided from the Big East are welcome to stay with the eight Catholic schools, and I definitely want Memphis, Xavier, and Temple as the first three invites.

I'd love to see Louisville stay, but I think they are gone. I've never been thrilled by South Florida. I wish someone would take them off our hands and leave us with Louisville, Cincy, West Virginia, Rutgers, and UConn; the eight Catholics; and Temple, Memphis, and Xavier.
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We're on the same page. That's my favorite scenario as well. Add notre dame for bball and navy and army to help appease the football schools in their quest for BCS bid. The service academies do the bball programs no harm at all, but help both the football schools and likely the academies as well. Service academies could also join the big east lacrosse conference which would make plenty of sense as well.

I think that is the direction this thing may be going once the dust settles, unless some of these schools keep thinking senselessly that they are part of the future of a mega-conference. I don't think the mega-conferences have all that much expanding to do any more as they are at risk of becoming bloated with teams that don't carry their weight. 

IMO the ACC if they were smart about it would just boot BC in favor of a WVU or Louisville. BC offers little to the ACC and haven't done anything since being there.
 
Not a troll. Have posted in other threads as well. I agree that G'Town would probably make the most sense since they are closer to ACC country than Villanova and SJU, but the feelings are that Maryland already has a lock on the DC market and will fight their hardest to prevent G'Town from getting into the ACC. Guys, this isn't coming from left field, if you haven't noticed there is quite a shake up going on right now in major college sports conferences and there is A LOT going on behind the scenes that we don't know about. This is just some information I have heard from realiable sources. I mean Villanova is playing Delaware at PPL Stadium this year to more or less show big time football conferences they have stadium options to move up to I-A. These messageboards are for people to post things like this.  Settle it down folks, not here to hurt people's feelings, just to share what people are talking about elsewhere in the conference. No disrespect intended.
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Not disrespectful at a all. I just think that this stuff is not anything being spoken about except by people at Nova. ACC has no need for a suburban philly team without a viable football program, not even close. IMO the only bball school that could conceivably be attractive is actually SJU, not Georgetown. SJU is the only major bball school in the NYC market. ACC showed their interest in that already by snatching Syracuse and Swofford trying to lay claim to MSG for the ACC tourney. I'm not saying this because I'm a SJU fan. The ACC's interest in the NY market is more than apparent. Nova one Georgetown offer the ACC anything thy don't already have, not even close.
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 No more Beast teams in the ACC. If SJ's comes, I'll have to take my cyanide tablet rather than betray either of my teams!
 
I am a Tulane (undergrad) alum, and I can tell you definitively that while Tulane fits the ACC from an academic standpoint, there is very little following of the university's athletics. So I dont view the "new orleans" tv market as a legitmate draw - its also a much smaller city than most realize.

I agree that the original poster is likely a troll, but I'm actually not sure why conferences are so anti-basketball if the potential TV market is huge and the basketball side of things actually improves. ACC could bring in UConn, St. John's, Georgetown, and Rutgers and have 16 teams for football and three 6-team divisions for basketball. I'd even substitute Rutgers with Tulane for the New Orleans market.

Pittsburgh
Syracuse
Boston College
UConn
St. John's
Rutgers

Georgetown
Maryland
Virginia
Viginia Tech
Duke
UNC

N.C. State
Wake Forest
Clemson
Georgia Tech
FSU
Miami

Of course I'm biased and want to see us in a top conference, but I don't think the above scenario is as outlandish as the football-biased conferences would believe.
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 Once the ACC gets as large as the BE in terms of teams, they wont be playing two games against each school. It will be broken up the way the BE does it now
 
I can only think that the chances of SJU being invited to the ACC as being none and slimmer than none. If the ACC has enough northeast presence to hold parts or all of the ACC tournament in NYC they will do so - SJU adds little to that mix. Let's remember that we were a BET non-entity for almost ten years, and exited early last season. So much for the importance of MSG being dictated by SJU.

The question is answered by the question "Is SJU worth any SIGNIFICANT additional NET TV revenue to the ACC?" If the answer is deemed to be yes, then we may see an invite. If the answer is no, then not.  
 
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