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panther2

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After reading the posts on here this season, I was dismayed by the amount of negativity directed towards the team.
Heron is an overrated failure who has quit on his teammates and is not really hurt.
LJ needs to find out what he wants to do in life because he is not going to have a future in basketball.
Greg Williams need to transfer, he has taken steps backward.
Josh Roberts is definitely not a Big East ballplayer.
Rutherford is out of his depth, couldn't even play at Monmouth.
Caraher is too slow to play in the Big East.
Dunn can't shoot.
Champagnie is overrated.
Earlington is a Gunner.
Sears is just useless.
Anderson's system won't work in the Big East, he needs to adapt.
There is going to be a MASS EXODUS of players after the season.

What I saw last night was a group of young men playing hard and encouraging each other. They haad a rough couple of weeks but came out with intensity and won the game. If you watched the interaction you can see how they supported each other. One instance that stands out is when Roberts missed a dunk off of a nice feed from Dunn, Dunn was the first to let him know, hey let it go.

LJ made shots last night and hustled on defense to get steals. Williams is finally getting into shape. It really disturbed me that some on here were writing him off at the beginning of the season even though we all knew he had a back injury. Rutherford played great D and made a couple of steals that lead to easy baskets.Caraher played hard and made a couple of shots.Dunn played within himself, hustled and got to the basket. Champagnie played an all around game. Earlington made some big shots when we needed them. Even got down in the low post. While Sears didn't score, he played good defense and got a couple of rebounds. Roberts was a force protecting the rim. Yes, all of our players have flaws in their games, some are young and just getting used to playing at this level. Others, while experienced, are not used to being the primary option. However, when they paly together as they did last night, good things happen.

In regards to Heron, I feel that those who doubted the seriousness of his injury, owe him an apology. He was hurt and tried to play through it until he just couldn't anymore. He has has carried himself as a gentleman since he has been here.

Coach Anderson should be commended for the job he has done this season. In spite of injuries and inexperienced players, he has held this group together through some rough times. watching last night's game, I did not see a bunch of players who were planning a MASS EXODUS. What I saw were young men playing hard, together, and with Pride. This is is a reflection of their respect for themselves and their coach.
 
[quote="panther2" post=376962]After reading the posts on here this season, I was dismayed by the amount of negativity directed towards the team.
Heron is an overrated failure who has quit on his teammates and is not really hurt.
LJ needs to find out what he wants to do in life because he is not going to have a future in basketball.
Greg Williams need to transfer, he has taken steps backward.
Josh Roberts is definitely not a Big East ballplayer.
Rutherford is out of his depth, couldn't even play at Monmouth.
Caraher is too slow to play in the Big East.
Dunn can't shoot.
Champagnie is overrated.
Earlington is a Gunner.
Sears is just useless.
Anderson's system won't work in the Big East, he needs to adapt.
There is going to be a MASS EXODUS of players after the season.

What I saw last night was a group of young men playing hard and encouraging each other. They haad a rough couple of weeks but came out with intensity and won the game. If you watched the interaction you can see how they supported each other. One instance that stands out is when Roberts missed a dunk off of a nice feed from Dunn, Dunn was the first to let him know, hey let it go.

LJ made shots last night and hustled on defense to get steals. Williams is finally getting into shape. It really disturbed me that some on here were writing him off at the beginning of the season even though we all knew he had a back injury. Rutherford played great D and made a couple of steals that lead to easy baskets.Caraher played hard and made a couple of shots.Dunn played within himself, hustled and got to the basket. Champagnie played an all around game. Earlington made some big shots when we needed them. Even got down in the low post. While Sears didn't score, he played good defense and got a couple of rebounds. Roberts was a force protecting the rim. Yes, all of our players have flaws in their games, some are young and just getting used to playing at this level. Others, while experienced, are not used to being the primary option. However, when they paly together as they did last night, good things happen.

In regards to Heron, I feel that those who doubted the seriousness of his injury, owe him an apology. He was hurt and tried to play through it until he just couldn't anymore. He has has carried himself as a gentleman since he has been here.

Coach Anderson should be commended for the job he has done this season. In spite of injuries and inexperienced players, he has held this group together through some rough times. watching last night's game, I did not see a bunch of players who were planning a MASS EXODUS. What I saw were young men playing hard, together, and with Pride. This is is a reflection of their respect for themselves and their coach.[/quote]



Extremely well said.
 
[quote="panther2" post=376962]After reading the posts on here this season, I was dismayed by the amount of negativity directed towards the team.
Heron is an overrated failure who has quit on his teammates and is not really hurt.
LJ needs to find out what he wants to do in life because he is not going to have a future in basketball.
Greg Williams need to transfer, he has taken steps backward.
Josh Roberts is definitely not a Big East ballplayer.
Rutherford is out of his depth, couldn't even play at Monmouth.
Caraher is too slow to play in the Big East.
Dunn can't shoot.
Champagnie is overrated.
Earlington is a Gunner.
Sears is just useless.
Anderson's system won't work in the Big East, he needs to adapt.
There is going to be a MASS EXODUS of players after the season.

What I saw last night was a group of young men playing hard and encouraging each other. They haad a rough couple of weeks but came out with intensity and won the game. If you watched the interaction you can see how they supported each other. One instance that stands out is when Roberts missed a dunk off of a nice feed from Dunn, Dunn was the first to let him know, hey let it go.

LJ made shots last night and hustled on defense to get steals. Williams is finally getting into shape. It really disturbed me that some on here were writing him off at the beginning of the season even though we all knew he had a back injury. Rutherford played great D and made a couple of steals that lead to easy baskets.Caraher played hard and made a couple of shots.Dunn played within himself, hustled and got to the basket. Champagnie played an all around game. Earlington made some big shots when we needed them. Even got down in the low post. While Sears didn't score, he played good defense and got a couple of rebounds. Roberts was a force protecting the rim. Yes, all of our players have flaws in their games, some are young and just getting used to playing at this level. Others, while experienced, are not used to being the primary option. However, when they paly together as they did last night, good things happen.

In regards to Heron, I feel that those who doubted the seriousness of his injury, owe him an apology. He was hurt and tried to play through it until he just couldn't anymore. He has has carried himself as a gentleman since he has been here.

Coach Anderson should be commended for the job he has done this season. In spite of injuries and inexperienced players, he has held this group together through some rough times. watching last night's game, I did not see a bunch of players who were planning a MASS EXODUS. What I saw were young men playing hard, together, and with Pride. This is is a reflection of their respect for themselves and their coach.[/quote]

Respect this post, and wish I had this sort of positivity.

That said, if you are this offended by some negativity, maybe a fan message board for a team that hasn't advanced to its conference semi-finals or won an NCAA tournament game in 20 years and who before last night was 2-9 in conference with 2 wins vs Depaul isn't the best place for you.

Just yesterday we had one of our best players announced to be out for the year (I did not and do not question his injury) and an annointed Big Man Savior who turned out to be a total bust get suspended likely never to be heard from again. This stuff never ever stops. I think it's ludicrous that being negative and skeptical about this program at this point somehow makes you a bad person.

Glad we won. We'll see what happens the rest of the way, and with roster in the off season. Who knows at this point, anyone who claims they know what will happen on that front is guessing. Would like to see some more tangible results on recruiting trail soon.
 
Many posters on this site are just uninformed children. They don't have Mullin to be the focus of their venomous attacks as he was last year, so they share their attacks among the players and this years coach. It's sad, but it is just who our fan base is. PRICELESS.
 
Good post, but I hope Heron doesn’t play another minute. Totally different team without him in there. 3-1 without him. These guys looked like they were having fun and playing for each other last night. We weren’t getting that with Heron.
 
Well said Panther. Love Anderson’s coaching style and how hard and cohesive our team plays. We just need more talent to swing things a different direction here and it’s not that far off.
 
[quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=376966][quote="panther2" post=376962]After reading the posts on here this season, I was dismayed by the amount of negativity directed towards the team.
Heron is an overrated failure who has quit on his teammates and is not really hurt.
LJ needs to find out what he wants to do in life because he is not going to have a future in basketball.
Greg Williams need to transfer, he has taken steps backward.
Josh Roberts is definitely not a Big East ballplayer.
Rutherford is out of his depth, couldn't even play at Monmouth.
Caraher is too slow to play in the Big East.
Dunn can't shoot.
Champagnie is overrated.
Earlington is a Gunner.
Sears is just useless.
Anderson's system won't work in the Big East, he needs to adapt.
There is going to be a MASS EXODUS of players after the season.

What I saw last night was a group of young men playing hard and encouraging each other. They haad a rough couple of weeks but came out with intensity and won the game. If you watched the interaction you can see how they supported each other. One instance that stands out is when Roberts missed a dunk off of a nice feed from Dunn, Dunn was the first to let him know, hey let it go.

LJ made shots last night and hustled on defense to get steals. Williams is finally getting into shape. It really disturbed me that some on here were writing him off at the beginning of the season even though we all knew he had a back injury. Rutherford played great D and made a couple of steals that lead to easy baskets.Caraher played hard and made a couple of shots.Dunn played within himself, hustled and got to the basket. Champagnie played an all around game. Earlington made some big shots when we needed them. Even got down in the low post. While Sears didn't score, he played good defense and got a couple of rebounds. Roberts was a force protecting the rim. Yes, all of our players have flaws in their games, some are young and just getting used to playing at this level. Others, while experienced, are not used to being the primary option. However, when they paly together as they did last night, good things happen.

In regards to Heron, I feel that those who doubted the seriousness of his injury, owe him an apology. He was hurt and tried to play through it until he just couldn't anymore. He has has carried himself as a gentleman since he has been here.

Coach Anderson should be commended for the job he has done this season. In spite of injuries and inexperienced players, he has held this group together through some rough times. watching last night's game, I did not see a bunch of players who were planning a MASS EXODUS. What I saw were young men playing hard, together, and with Pride. This is is a reflection of their respect for themselves and their coach.[/quote]

Respect this post, and wish I had this sort of positivity.

That said, if you are this offended by some negativity, maybe a fan message board for a team that hasn't advanced to its conference semi-finals or won an NCAA tournament game in 20 years and who before last night was 2-9 in conference with 2 wins vs Depaul isn't the best place for you.

Just yesterday we had one of our best players announced to be out for the year (I did not and do not question his injury) and an annointed Big Man Savior who turned out to be a total bust get suspended likely never to be heard from again. This stuff never ever stops. I think it's ludicrous that being negative and skeptical about this program at this point somehow makes you a bad person.

Glad we won. We'll see what happens the rest of the way, and with roster in the off season. Who knows at this point, anyone who claims they know what will happen on that front is guessing. Would like to see some more tangible results on recruiting trail soon.[/quote] You make a good point regarding following the team the last 20 years, have to expect some negativity. Regarding Heron, injuries cant be predicted and are part of the game. I think Heron tried to play through the injury, but was subpar ,affecting the team performance... Regarding the Steere situation , that problem diminishes when you look at character and work ethic when recruiting and discipline accordingly, which CMA does, an important intangible of recruiting. Eli Wright was also a problem and is not even on a roster today.
 
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[quote="panther2" post=376962]After reading the posts on here this season, I was dismayed by the amount of negativity directed towards the team.
Heron is an overrated failure who has quit on his teammates and is not really hurt.
LJ needs to find out what he wants to do in life because he is not going to have a future in basketball.
Greg Williams need to transfer, he has taken steps backward.
Josh Roberts is definitely not a Big East ballplayer.
Rutherford is out of his depth, couldn't even play at Monmouth.
Caraher is too slow to play in the Big East.
Dunn can't shoot.
Champagnie is overrated.
Earlington is a Gunner.
Sears is just useless.
Anderson's system won't work in the Big East, he needs to adapt.
There is going to be a MASS EXODUS of players after the season.

What I saw last night was a group of young men playing hard and encouraging each other. They haad a rough couple of weeks but came out with intensity and won the game. If you watched the interaction you can see how they supported each other. One instance that stands out is when Roberts missed a dunk off of a nice feed from Dunn, Dunn was the first to let him know, hey let it go.

LJ made shots last night and hustled on defense to get steals. Williams is finally getting into shape. It really disturbed me that some on here were writing him off at the beginning of the season even though we all knew he had a back injury. Rutherford played great D and made a couple of steals that lead to easy baskets.Caraher played hard and made a couple of shots.Dunn played within himself, hustled and got to the basket. Champagnie played an all around game. Earlington made some big shots when we needed them. Even got down in the low post. While Sears didn't score, he played good defense and got a couple of rebounds. Roberts was a force protecting the rim. Yes, all of our players have flaws in their games, some are young and just getting used to playing at this level. Others, while experienced, are not used to being the primary option. However, when they paly together as they did last night, good things happen.

In regards to Heron, I feel that those who doubted the seriousness of his injury, owe him an apology. He was hurt and tried to play through it until he just couldn't anymore. He has has carried himself as a gentleman since he has been here.

Coach Anderson should be commended for the job he has done this season. In spite of injuries and inexperienced players, he has held this group together through some rough times. watching last night's game, I did not see a bunch of players who were planning a MASS EXODUS. What I saw were young men playing hard, together, and with Pride. This is is a reflection of their respect for themselves and their coach.[/quote]

Just want to be clear on the MASS EXODUS thing.

I said it was a rumor that I seen, I never once said that there was going to be a MASS EXODUS.

It's a St. John's message board, if there's something about ST. John's out there, then put it here.
If it's fake news or not, the posters can judge for themselves.
 
[quote="panther2" post=376962]After reading the posts on here this season, I was dismayed by the amount of negativity directed towards the team.
Heron is an overrated failure who has quit on his teammates and is not really hurt.
LJ needs to find out what he wants to do in life because he is not going to have a future in basketball.
Greg Williams need to transfer, he has taken steps backward.
Josh Roberts is definitely not a Big East ballplayer.
Rutherford is out of his depth, couldn't even play at Monmouth.
Caraher is too slow to play in the Big East.
Dunn can't shoot.
Champagnie is overrated.
Earlington is a Gunner.
Sears is just useless.
Anderson's system won't work in the Big East, he needs to adapt.
There is going to be a MASS EXODUS of players after the season.

What I saw last night was a group of young men playing hard and encouraging each other. They haad a rough couple of weeks but came out with intensity and won the game. If you watched the interaction you can see how they supported each other. One instance that stands out is when Roberts missed a dunk off of a nice feed from Dunn, Dunn was the first to let him know, hey let it go.

LJ made shots last night and hustled on defense to get steals. Williams is finally getting into shape. It really disturbed me that some on here were writing him off at the beginning of the season even though we all knew he had a back injury. Rutherford played great D and made a couple of steals that lead to easy baskets.Caraher played hard and made a couple of shots.Dunn played within himself, hustled and got to the basket. Champagnie played an all around game. Earlington made some big shots when we needed them. Even got down in the low post. While Sears didn't score, he played good defense and got a couple of rebounds. Roberts was a force protecting the rim. Yes, all of our players have flaws in their games, some are young and just getting used to playing at this level. Others, while experienced, are not used to being the primary option. However, when they paly together as they did last night, good things happen.

In regards to Heron, I feel that those who doubted the seriousness of his injury, owe him an apology. He was hurt and tried to play through it until he just couldn't anymore. He has has carried himself as a gentleman since he has been here.

Coach Anderson should be commended for the job he has done this season. In spite of injuries and inexperienced players, he has held this group together through some rough times. watching last night's game, I did not see a bunch of players who were planning a MASS EXODUS. What I saw were young men playing hard, together, and with Pride. This is is a reflection of their respect for themselves and their coach.[/quote]

Couldn't agree more with everything you've said. This reminds me of your "Perspective" post during last season, which was also spot on. This is a board of extremes. Maybe all boards are, although I wouldn't know since I don't read other boards. As I've said all along, if we make the NIT I will consider this season a huge success. And we'll do it with our 2 best players not having the kind of seasons that were expected of them. Even if we don't, I've seen these kids run through a brick wall for CMA game in and game out. And that's about as much as you can ask of kids: to give it their best effort every single night. So I'll still consider this season a success.So it's beyond me how anyone could be dismayed over what CMA and this team has done this year. And this coming from someone who did not jump right on the CMA bandwagon when he was hired.
 
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Thanks for the post Panther as it says it all.
I take the position of St. John's Forever. Yes I get upset with losses but not with the players unless the disparage the University. I was brought up in a Brooklyn Dodger family and naturally morphed into a Met fan. We learned quickly the mantra "Wait Until Next Year" and when it finally came our loyalty was repaid many times over. I stay until the end of every game, win or lose, in respect of the players who sport our University's name on their chests. Coaches I might have problems with but not with those who put in the sweat equity to represent us.
St. John's FOREVER!
 
[quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=376966][quote="panther2" post=376962]After reading the posts on here this season, I was dismayed by the amount of negativity directed towards the team.
Heron is an overrated failure who has quit on his teammates and is not really hurt.
LJ needs to find out what he wants to do in life because he is not going to have a future in basketball.
Greg Williams need to transfer, he has taken steps backward.
Josh Roberts is definitely not a Big East ballplayer.
Rutherford is out of his depth, couldn't even play at Monmouth.
Caraher is too slow to play in the Big East.
Dunn can't shoot.
Champagnie is overrated.
Earlington is a Gunner.
Sears is just useless.
Anderson's system won't work in the Big East, he needs to adapt.
There is going to be a MASS EXODUS of players after the season.

What I saw last night was a group of young men playing hard and encouraging each other. They haad a rough couple of weeks but came out with intensity and won the game. If you watched the interaction you can see how they supported each other. One instance that stands out is when Roberts missed a dunk off of a nice feed from Dunn, Dunn was the first to let him know, hey let it go.

LJ made shots last night and hustled on defense to get steals. Williams is finally getting into shape. It really disturbed me that some on here were writing him off at the beginning of the season even though we all knew he had a back injury. Rutherford played great D and made a couple of steals that lead to easy baskets.Caraher played hard and made a couple of shots.Dunn played within himself, hustled and got to the basket. Champagnie played an all around game. Earlington made some big shots when we needed them. Even got down in the low post. While Sears didn't score, he played good defense and got a couple of rebounds. Roberts was a force protecting the rim. Yes, all of our players have flaws in their games, some are young and just getting used to playing at this level. Others, while experienced, are not used to being the primary option. However, when they paly together as they did last night, good things happen.

In regards to Heron, I feel that those who doubted the seriousness of his injury, owe him an apology. He was hurt and tried to play through it until he just couldn't anymore. He has has carried himself as a gentleman since he has been here.

Coach Anderson should be commended for the job he has done this season. In spite of injuries and inexperienced players, he has held this group together through some rough times. watching last night's game, I did not see a bunch of players who were planning a MASS EXODUS. What I saw were young men playing hard, together, and with Pride. This is is a reflection of their respect for themselves and their coach.[/quote]

Respect this post, and wish I had this sort of positivity.

That said, if you are this offended by some negativity, maybe a fan message board for a team that hasn't advanced to its conference semi-finals or won an NCAA tournament game in 20 years and who before last night was 2-9 in conference with 2 wins vs Depaul isn't the best place for you.

Just yesterday we had one of our best players announced to be out for the year (I did not and do not question his injury) and an annointed Big Man Savior who turned out to be a total bust get suspended likely never to be heard from again. This stuff never ever stops. I think it's ludicrous that being negative and skeptical about this program at this point somehow makes you a bad person.

Glad we won. We'll see what happens the rest of the way, and with roster in the off season. Who knows at this point, anyone who claims they know what will happen on that front is guessing. Would like to see some more tangible results on recruiting trail soon.[/quote]



I am disappointed about some of our losses this year. There were a few games that we could have won with better execution. What bothered me was posters writing off Williams when he was was coming off a back injury. LJ definitely has had some bad games this year, however, is it really necessary to say I hope that he has a career planned in something other than basketball because he won't make any money in this game. Questioning Heron's injury and suggesting that he may not be hurt and is trying to preserve his stock is just asinine. He can't improve his stock by not playing. Someone posted that they noticed that Heron was shooting more jump shots since his injury and they were also astute enough to state that it was probably due to his injury.

My problem is when posters attack the players. It is not really necessary to try to be as witty and sarcastic as possible. These are young men who are still working on their craft and trying to improve.

It really would be interesting if the beginning of each of our careers were posted on the Internet for others to critique.
 
Speaking for myself: it'd be a lotta laughs "if the beginning of" my career was "posted on the Internet for others to critique."
Wisdom point of the year Windy. Thanks.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=377029]Speaking for myself: it'd be a lotta laughs "if the beginning of" my career was "posted on the Internet for others to critique."
Wisdom point of the year Windy. Thanks.[/quote]


Happy that you get it. If my college years or the beginning of my career were available for public scrutiny, it would be laughs and tears. I have watched St Johns for over 60 years, many highs and lows, but am still here cheering them on.

I have come to realize that it is just a game, not life and death. For those of you that mention how we have be suffering for the past 20 years or so, all I can ask is that we give Coach Anderson and his staff an opportunity to show what they can do. I know that I would not have appreciated my wife bringing up past failed relationships when we first started dating, I would want her to accept me for who I am and what I bring to the table. Our recent failures are not the fault of Cragg or Anderson, again I say, let's give them the chance to show what they can do.
 
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[quote="Duke of Earlington" post=377044]Does this thread have anything to do w/ rob lowe and demi moore?[/quote]

I saw the title of the thread and thought, "It wasn't a bad movie.."
 
Excellent post

Anderson is a professional. I’m looking forward to see what he could do over the next few years
 
[quote="panther2" post=377050][quote="Chicago Days" post=377029]Speaking for myself: it'd be a lotta laughs "if the beginning of" my career was "posted on the Internet for others to critique."
Wisdom point of the year Windy. Thanks.[/quote]


Happy that you get it. If my college years or the beginning of my career were available for public scrutiny, it would be laughs and tears. I have watched St Johns for over 60 years, many highs and lows, but am still here cheering them on.

I have come to realize that it is just a game, not light and death. For those of you that mention how we have be suffering for the past 20 years or so, all I can ask is that we give Coach Anderson and his staff an opportunity to show what they can do. I know that I would not have appreciated my wife bringing up past failed relationships when we first started dating, I would want her to accept me for who I am and what I bring to the table. Our recent failures are not the fault of Cragg or Anderson, again I say, let's give them the chance to show what they can do.[/quote]

Very nice Panther2- let’s treat the players like the young college kids they are.

btw who was Panther1?
 
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