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When you have a chance check out the AAC new conference schedule. One might notice: they open up on New Years Eve as well with games tipping off 1 hour after the Big East on Espn. Let the television battle begin.
 
It's funny but I don't hold any ill will toward the AAC. They were just as much a victim of conference realignment as we were. I am sure that schools like USF, Temple, Cincinnati & Memphis would have been very happy continuing to play the schools from the Big East (start playing, in the case of Temple & Memphis) as far as basketball goes. Unfortunately their hands were forced when schools like Syracuse, West Virginia & Pittsburgh announced their intent to leave, along with schools like TCU & Boise St. announced they were no longer joining. I still have my dislike for UConn but as whole, I'd actually love it if the AAC has a better year than the ACC.
 
The sad thing is they are getting like 5 cents from ESPN to air their games. More than the present Big East they suffered the most.
Future realignment is all they can hope for. Big East "name" money will only go so far.
 
The AAC will be a decent league in basketball if they keep Cincinnati, UConn & Temple. Memphis has been good for a while, even without Calipari. Some of the Texas programs are OK too. Football probably has more potential if they form some kind of alliance with the Mountain West Conference, not close to the "Power 5", but good enough to create interest & draw some fans. The AAC does not have a lot of traditional rivalries, but since expansion, so many traditional rivalries are going away.

Most experts think there is still at least one more shake up of conferences, possibly leading into 4 majors of 16 schools each. I know someone in Temple's administration who says they've been speaking with the ACC about joining in a few years if they can grow and improve as anticipated. They expect to have 16,000-18,000 students living on campus within 4 years. Because of TV & the Philadelphia market, they are more attractive than UConn (who many schools dislike), plus their location fits in well. Everyone has their own opinion, so......

My contact also says that Penn State has been talking to the ACC. They're not going anywhere for the next few years for obvious reasons, but they've been unhappy in the Big 10 since joining, and money is the only thing keeping them. Many of their alums are working or retired in ACC states like Virginia, North Carolina & Florida, and think it makes more sense for them to get back with Eastern schools.

Last thought---Don't be suprised if Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State & one more Texas school (Texas Tech?) eventually leaves the Big 12 & heads west to join the Pac 12, making it a Pac 16. This almost happened once, and it still can happen.
 
The AAC will be a decent league in basketball if they keep Cincinnati, UConn & Temple. Memphis has been good for a while, even without Calipari. Some of the Texas programs are OK too. Football probably has more potential if they form some kind of alliance with the Mountain West Conference, not close to the "Power 5", but good enough to create interest & draw some fans. The AAC does not have a lot of traditional rivalries, but since expansion, so many traditional rivalries are going away.

Most experts think there is still at least one more shake up of conferences, possibly leading into 4 majors of 16 schools each. I know someone in Temple's administration who says they've been speaking with the ACC about joining in a few years if they can grow and improve as anticipated. They expect to have 16,000-18,000 students living on campus within 4 years. Because of TV & the Philadelphia market, they are more attractive than UConn (who many schools dislike), plus their location fits in well. Everyone has their own opinion, so......

My contact also says that Penn State has been talking to the ACC. They're not going anywhere for the next few years for obvious reasons, but they've been unhappy in the Big 10 since joining, and money is the only thing keeping them. Many of their alums are working or retired in ACC states like Virginia, North Carolina & Florida, and think it makes more sense for them to get back with Eastern schools.

Last thought---Don't be suprised if Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State & one more Texas school (Texas Tech?) eventually leaves the Big 12 & heads west to join the Pac 12, making it a Pac 16. This almost happened once, and it still can happen.
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Uconn is a much more attractive option that Temple will ever be. They are like a Kansas or UK...the entire state follows them. The ACC will never seriously consider Temple. They are the equivalent to a "safe school" for a kid with a 1400 SAT score.

Four 16-team superconferences is as inevitable as America's manifest destiny.
 
Temple will probably be decent this year just because of good coaching, but they lost all their studs. So I wouldn't consider them overly dangerous this year at least. Cincy, UConn and Memphis are essentially what they have. Cincy has been good lately and stole Lawrence from us, but they also lost some firepower...they always have a knack for being overrated...they get out to red hot starts then cool off going from a top 15 team to more of a borderline top 25. UConn is just a great team...I really hope they can somehow join the Big East because they really are part of the soul of the old one. House football in another conference or come to terms with the fact that they will never be a football school and say screw it. Memphis is a good team and pretty consistent...they can also recruit.

I can nearly guarantee UConn and Cincy will be out of there at some point for greener pastures aka football conferences. Leaving them with Temple and Memphis as the only 2 true good teams would give the AAC a very A-10 feel to it.
 
Temple will probably be decent this year just because of good coaching, but they lost all their studs. So I wouldn't consider them overly dangerous this year at least. Cincy, UConn and Memphis are essentially what they have. Cincy has been good lately and stole Lawrence from us, but they also lost some firepower...they always have a knack for being overrated...they get out to red hot starts then cool off going from a top 15 team to more of a borderline top 25. UConn is just a great team...I really hope they can somehow join the Big East because they really are part of the soul of the old one. House football in another conference or come to terms with the fact that they will never be a football school and say screw it. Memphis is a good team and pretty consistent...they can also recruit.

I can nearly guarantee UConn and Cincy will be out of there at some point for greener pastures aka football conferences. Leaving them with Temple and Memphis as the only 2 true good teams would give the AAC a very A-10 feel to it.
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Memphis is the second most successful program by far over the last thirty years in the AAC. They would be a great addition to the Big East.
 
Temple will probably be decent this year just because of good coaching, but they lost all their studs. So I wouldn't consider them overly dangerous this year at least. Cincy, UConn and Memphis are essentially what they have. Cincy has been good lately and stole Lawrence from us, but they also lost some firepower...they always have a knack for being overrated...they get out to red hot starts then cool off going from a top 15 team to more of a borderline top 25. UConn is just a great team...I really hope they can somehow join the Big East because they really are part of the soul of the old one. House football in another conference or come to terms with the fact that they will never be a football school and say screw it. Memphis is a good team and pretty consistent...they can also recruit.

I can nearly guarantee UConn and Cincy will be out of there at some point for greener pastures aka football conferences. Leaving them with Temple and Memphis as the only 2 true good teams would give the AAC a very A-10 feel to it.
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Memphis is the second most successful program by far over the last thirty years in the AAC. They would be a great addition to the Big East.
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No way...UConn has 2 NATIONAL titles in that span. Memphis doesn't even have one in that span if any at all. UConn is a much more prestigious school as well. I'd take UConn in a second over Memphis.

Oops...sorry didn't see you said Memphis was 2nd best...makes more sense now.
 
Conference memberships are about more than having good teams. You think Rutgers is joining the Big 10 because they have good teams?

Temple brings the Philadelphia market, even if they're not Philadelphia's team. Philadelphia doesn't really have one team. Temple can add a bunch of TV sets to the network. UConn doesn't add NY City. The ACC is getting that from Syracuse. With Maryland out of their conference, the ACC would like to add a mid Atlantic school.

UConn is seriously disliked by some ACC members. Don't know if Boston College carries much weight, but they'll do everything possible to keep UConn out of their conference. Duke & North Carolina dislike UConn too.

Comparing UConn to Kansas or Kentucky is........
 
Conference memberships are about more than having good teams. You think Rutgers is joining the Big 10 because they have good teams?

Temple brings the Philadelphia market, even if they're not Philadelphia's team. Philadelphia doesn't really have one team. Temple can add a bunch of TV sets to the network. UConn doesn't add NY City. The ACC is getting that from Syracuse. With Maryland out of their conference, the ACC would like to add a mid Atlantic school.

UConn is seriously disliked by some ACC members. Don't know if Boston College carries much weight, but they'll do everything possible to keep UConn out of their conference. Duke & North Carolina dislike UConn too.

Comparing UConn to Kansas or Kentucky is........
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I still think the influence of Cuse on NYC is way exaggerated. In the NYC metro area it's not like you see Cuse stuff everywhere...the most I've seen is an ad or two on cabs 3 yrs ago. They are not a real NYC team. As I've said before, they are more Canada than NYC. When you think NYC, Cuse will never come to mind...it's like saying Penn State comes to mind when thinking of NYC. Are there alumni and students from the area? Yes. Are there so many that it's overwhelming? No.

The only reason Cuse would even be considered a real NYC area team is because we love winners. SJU is the only TRUE NYC team that has a place in the culture of the area and is truly based in the 5 boroughs and the NYC suburbs. If we start making the top 25 consistently again, you won't hear Cuse being New York's college team anymore.
 
Conference memberships are about more than having good teams. You think Rutgers is joining the Big 10 because they have good teams?

Temple brings the Philadelphia market, even if they're not Philadelphia's team. Philadelphia doesn't really have one team. Temple can add a bunch of TV sets to the network. UConn doesn't add NY City. The ACC is getting that from Syracuse. With Maryland out of their conference, the ACC would like to add a mid Atlantic school.

UConn is seriously disliked by some ACC members. Don't know if Boston College carries much weight, but they'll do everything possible to keep UConn out of their conference. Duke & North Carolina dislike UConn too.

Comparing UConn to Kansas or Kentucky is........
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I still think the influence of Cuse on NYC is way exaggerated. In the NYC metro area it's not like you see Cuse stuff everywhere...the most I've seen is an ad or two on cabs 3 yrs ago. They are not a real NYC team. As I've said before, they are more Canada than NYC. When you think NYC, Cuse will never come to mind...it's like saying Penn State comes to mind when thinking of NYC. Are there alumni and students from the area? Yes. Are there so many that it's overwhelming? No.

The only reason Cuse would even be considered a real NYC area team is because we love winners. SJU is the only TRUE NYC team that has a place in the culture of the area and is truly based in the 5 boroughs and the NYC suburbs. If we start making the top 25 consistently again, you won't hear Cuse being New York's college team anymore.
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Joe, the Cuse influence has nothing to do with where the school is located, its where their alums are and yes, there are that many. There are tons of SU alums in NYC. SU even has a NYC campus (the Lubin House is on East 61st Street).

http://lubinhouse.syr.edu/

People may not think of Syracuse when they think of NYC, but there are plenty of Orange supporters who will happily turn on the TV sets in the greater NYC area to watch them. You are kidding yourself if you think that SU doesn't have a major presence in the NYC area.
 
Conference memberships are about more than having good teams. You think Rutgers is joining the Big 10 because they have good teams?

Temple brings the Philadelphia market, even if they're not Philadelphia's team. Philadelphia doesn't really have one team. Temple can add a bunch of TV sets to the network. UConn doesn't add NY City. The ACC is getting that from Syracuse. With Maryland out of their conference, the ACC would like to add a mid Atlantic school.

UConn is seriously disliked by some ACC members. Don't know if Boston College carries much weight, but they'll do everything possible to keep UConn out of their conference. Duke & North Carolina dislike UConn too.

Comparing UConn to Kansas or Kentucky is........
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I still think the influence of Cuse on NYC is way exaggerated. In the NYC metro area it's not like you see Cuse stuff everywhere...the most I've seen is an ad or two on cabs 3 yrs ago. They are not a real NYC team. As I've said before, they are more Canada than NYC. When you think NYC, Cuse will never come to mind...it's like saying Penn State comes to mind when thinking of NYC. Are there alumni and students from the area? Yes. Are there so many that it's overwhelming? No.

The only reason Cuse would even be considered a real NYC area team is because we love winners. SJU is the only TRUE NYC team that has a place in the culture of the area and is truly based in the 5 boroughs and the NYC suburbs. If we start making the top 25 consistently again, you won't hear Cuse being New York's college team anymore.
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Joe, the Cuse influence has nothing to do with where the school is located, its where their alums are and yes, there are that many. There are tons of SU alums in NYC. SU even has a NYC campus (the Lubin House is on East 61st Street).

http://lubinhouse.syr.edu/

People may not think of Syracuse when they think of NYC, but there are plenty of Orange supporters who will happily turn on the TV sets in the greater NYC area to watch them. You are kidding yourself if you think that SU doesn't have a major presence in the NYC area.
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Yes, all you said is true NYCred but almost all that presence over the past 30 years has been tied to the basketball program! LOL!
The Lubin house is exactly that...a building (actually 2 buildings) and does not hold any undergrad classes. A campus?
Harvard, Princeton, Cornell all own more buildings in Manhattan. Columbia and NYU have actual campuses and own billions in real estate. The only reason we even mention Syracuse in NYC is because of its success in basketball. If, and when, SJ matches that success, all the ACC $$$ will not keep the Orange fan base in the NY metro area happy because they know that with 50,000 living alumni and more than that in non graduate fans, St. John's can own NYC. It is a shame that it took Mike Repole to shake the old tree in Jamaica. Hopefully, Peter D'Angelo and the trustees do the same in searching for a university president.
 
Conference memberships are about more than having good teams. You think Rutgers is joining the Big 10 because they have good teams?

Temple brings the Philadelphia market, even if they're not Philadelphia's team. Philadelphia doesn't really have one team. Temple can add a bunch of TV sets to the network. UConn doesn't add NY City. The ACC is getting that from Syracuse. With Maryland out of their conference, the ACC would like to add a mid Atlantic school.

UConn is seriously disliked by some ACC members. Don't know if Boston College carries much weight, but they'll do everything possible to keep UConn out of their conference. Duke & North Carolina dislike UConn too.

Comparing UConn to Kansas or Kentucky is........
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I still think the influence of Cuse on NYC is way exaggerated. In the NYC metro area it's not like you see Cuse stuff everywhere...the most I've seen is an ad or two on cabs 3 yrs ago. They are not a real NYC team. As I've said before, they are more Canada than NYC. When you think NYC, Cuse will never come to mind...it's like saying Penn State comes to mind when thinking of NYC. Are there alumni and students from the area? Yes. Are there so many that it's overwhelming? No.

The only reason Cuse would even be considered a real NYC area team is because we love winners. SJU is the only TRUE NYC team that has a place in the culture of the area and is truly based in the 5 boroughs and the NYC suburbs. If we start making the top 25 consistently again, you won't hear Cuse being New York's college team anymore.
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Joe, the Cuse influence has nothing to do with where the school is located, its where their alums are and yes, there are that many. There are tons of SU alums in NYC. SU even has a NYC campus (the Lubin House is on East 61st Street).

http://lubinhouse.syr.edu/

People may not think of Syracuse when they think of NYC, but there are plenty of Orange supporters who will happily turn on the TV sets in the greater NYC area to watch them. You are kidding yourself if you think that SU doesn't have a major presence in the NYC area.
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Yes, all you said is true NYCred but almost all that presence over the past 30 years has been tied to the basketball program! LOL!
The Lubin house is exactly that...a building (actually 2 buildings) and does not hold any undergrad classes. A campus?
Harvard, Princeton, Cornell all own more buildings in Manhattan. Columbia and NYU have actual campuses and own billions in real estate. The only reason we even mention Syracuse in NYC is because of its success in basketball. If, and when, SJ matches that success, all the ACC $$$ will not keep the Orange fan base in the NY metro area happy because they know that with 50,000 living alumni and more than that in non graduate fans, St. John's can own NYC. It is a shame that it took Mike Repole to shake the old tree in Jamaica. Hopefully, Peter D'Angelo and the trustees do the same in searching for a university president.
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Exactly...it's very simply explained...Cuse has been great and SJU has been awful. The only reason anyone says Syracuse anything is because of basketball. It's not like there is this "Syracuse Culture" in the NYC area. Ever meet an upstater then someone from downstate i.e. Staten/Long Island? Totally different cultures. If SJU is very good again it won't matter what Cuse does because we are the true NYC area team. All we are missing is winning. It cures all.
 
Conference memberships are about more than having good teams. You think Rutgers is joining the Big 10 because they have good teams?

Temple brings the Philadelphia market, even if they're not Philadelphia's team. Philadelphia doesn't really have one team. Temple can add a bunch of TV sets to the network. UConn doesn't add NY City. The ACC is getting that from Syracuse. With Maryland out of their conference, the ACC would like to add a mid Atlantic school.

UConn is seriously disliked by some ACC members. Don't know if Boston College carries much weight, but they'll do everything possible to keep UConn out of their conference. Duke & North Carolina dislike UConn too.

Comparing UConn to Kansas or Kentucky is........
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I still think the influence of Cuse on NYC is way exaggerated. In the NYC metro area it's not like you see Cuse stuff everywhere...the most I've seen is an ad or two on cabs 3 yrs ago. They are not a real NYC team. As I've said before, they are more Canada than NYC. When you think NYC, Cuse will never come to mind...it's like saying Penn State comes to mind when thinking of NYC. Are there alumni and students from the area? Yes. Are there so many that it's overwhelming? No.

The only reason Cuse would even be considered a real NYC area team is because we love winners. SJU is the only TRUE NYC team that has a place in the culture of the area and is truly based in the 5 boroughs and the NYC suburbs. If we start making the top 25 consistently again, you won't hear Cuse being New York's college team anymore.
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Joe, the Cuse influence has nothing to do with where the school is located, its where their alums are and yes, there are that many. There are tons of SU alums in NYC. SU even has a NYC campus (the Lubin House is on East 61st Street).

http://lubinhouse.syr.edu/

People may not think of Syracuse when they think of NYC, but there are plenty of Orange supporters who will happily turn on the TV sets in the greater NYC area to watch them. You are kidding yourself if you think that SU doesn't have a major presence in the NYC area.
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Yes, all you said is true NYCred but almost all that presence over the past 30 years has been tied to the basketball program! LOL!
The Lubin house is exactly that...a building (actually 2 buildings) and does not hold any undergrad classes. A campus?
Harvard, Princeton, Cornell all own more buildings in Manhattan. Columbia and NYU have actual campuses and own billions in real estate. The only reason we even mention Syracuse in NYC is because of its success in basketball. If, and when, SJ matches that success, all the ACC $$$ will not keep the Orange fan base in the NY metro area happy because they know that with 50,000 living alumni and more than that in non graduate fans, St. John's can own NYC. It is a shame that it took Mike Repole to shake the old tree in Jamaica. Hopefully, Peter D'Angelo and the trustees do the same in searching for a university president.
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Exactly...it's very simply explained...Cuse has been great and SJU has been awful. The only reason anyone says Syracuse anything is because of basketball. It's not like there is this "Syracuse Culture" in the NYC area. Ever meet an upstater then someone from downstate i.e. Staten/Long Island? Totally different cultures. If SJU is very good again it won't matter what Cuse does because we are the true NYC area team. All we are missing is winning. It cures all.
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I have news for you Joe, SJU becoming very good again won't diminish the SU presence in NYC. Yes the primary influence has been "basketball" for SU, but don't forget, back in the 80s when were "very good", the SU fans still packed the Garden for OUR HOME GAMES, same in the late 90s when we had a resurgence. Winning will increase our presence, I agree with you on that. But don't kid yourself & think that just b/c we start winning games that SU fans will disappear, or that they still won't have a presence in NYC whether it's against us or some other opponent. The only way that happens is if the SU hoops program takes a major downfall, which may happen after JB retires.
 
Conference memberships are about more than having good teams. You think Rutgers is joining the Big 10 because they have good teams?

Temple brings the Philadelphia market, even if they're not Philadelphia's team. Philadelphia doesn't really have one team. Temple can add a bunch of TV sets to the network. UConn doesn't add NY City. The ACC is getting that from Syracuse. With Maryland out of their conference, the ACC would like to add a mid Atlantic school.

UConn is seriously disliked by some ACC members. Don't know if Boston College carries much weight, but they'll do everything possible to keep UConn out of their conference. Duke & North Carolina dislike UConn too.

Comparing UConn to Kansas or Kentucky is........
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I still think the influence of Cuse on NYC is way exaggerated. In the NYC metro area it's not like you see Cuse stuff everywhere...the most I've seen is an ad or two on cabs 3 yrs ago. They are not a real NYC team. As I've said before, they are more Canada than NYC. When you think NYC, Cuse will never come to mind...it's like saying Penn State comes to mind when thinking of NYC. Are there alumni and students from the area? Yes. Are there so many that it's overwhelming? No.

The only reason Cuse would even be considered a real NYC area team is because we love winners. SJU is the only TRUE NYC team that has a place in the culture of the area and is truly based in the 5 boroughs and the NYC suburbs. If we start making the top 25 consistently again, you won't hear Cuse being New York's college team anymore.
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Joe, the Cuse influence has nothing to do with where the school is located, its where their alums are and yes, there are that many. There are tons of SU alums in NYC. SU even has a NYC campus (the Lubin House is on East 61st Street).

http://lubinhouse.syr.edu/

People may not think of Syracuse when they think of NYC, but there are plenty of Orange supporters who will happily turn on the TV sets in the greater NYC area to watch them. You are kidding yourself if you think that SU doesn't have a major presence in the NYC area.
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Yes, all you said is true NYCred but almost all that presence over the past 30 years has been tied to the basketball program! LOL!
The Lubin house is exactly that...a building (actually 2 buildings) and does not hold any undergrad classes. A campus?
Harvard, Princeton, Cornell all own more buildings in Manhattan. Columbia and NYU have actual campuses and own billions in real estate. The only reason we even mention Syracuse in NYC is because of its success in basketball. If, and when, SJ matches that success, all the ACC $$$ will not keep the Orange fan base in the NY metro area happy because they know that with 50,000 living alumni and more than that in non graduate fans, St. John's can own NYC. It is a shame that it took Mike Repole to shake the old tree in Jamaica. Hopefully, Peter D'Angelo and the trustees do the same in searching for a university president.
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SU only has a presence in NYC b/c of basketball? Are you serious? Yes basketball is a major reason for that presence but it's not the only reason by a long shot. You may want to check out the tons of alumni events that SU has in NYC year round (very well attended events). Unfortunately a very close friend of mine is an SU alum and I am reminded of this all the time. The only thing that will make SU fans unhappy is if the ACC Tournament never makes it to the Garden. Why, b/c they know that they will fill the Garden if that ever happens. Believe me, SU fans are not concerned about whether SJU matches their success, go read some of their posts on their board if you don't believe me. They see themselves as a team that has a presence in NYC & yes basketball is a big reason why but they won't go away just b/c we start winning games.
 
Conference memberships are about more than having good teams. You think Rutgers is joining the Big 10 because they have good teams?

Temple brings the Philadelphia market, even if they're not Philadelphia's team. Philadelphia doesn't really have one team. Temple can add a bunch of TV sets to the network. UConn doesn't add NY City. The ACC is getting that from Syracuse. With Maryland out of their conference, the ACC would like to add a mid Atlantic school.

UConn is seriously disliked by some ACC members. Don't know if Boston College carries much weight, but they'll do everything possible to keep UConn out of their conference. Duke & North Carolina dislike UConn too.

Comparing UConn to Kansas or Kentucky is........
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I still think the influence of Cuse on NYC is way exaggerated. In the NYC metro area it's not like you see Cuse stuff everywhere...the most I've seen is an ad or two on cabs 3 yrs ago. They are not a real NYC team. As I've said before, they are more Canada than NYC. When you think NYC, Cuse will never come to mind...it's like saying Penn State comes to mind when thinking of NYC. Are there alumni and students from the area? Yes. Are there so many that it's overwhelming? No.

The only reason Cuse would even be considered a real NYC area team is because we love winners. SJU is the only TRUE NYC team that has a place in the culture of the area and is truly based in the 5 boroughs and the NYC suburbs. If we start making the top 25 consistently again, you won't hear Cuse being New York's college team anymore.
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Joe, the Cuse influence has nothing to do with where the school is located, its where their alums are and yes, there are that many. There are tons of SU alums in NYC. SU even has a NYC campus (the Lubin House is on East 61st Street).

http://lubinhouse.syr.edu/

People may not think of Syracuse when they think of NYC, but there are plenty of Orange supporters who will happily turn on the TV sets in the greater NYC area to watch them. You are kidding yourself if you think that SU doesn't have a major presence in the NYC area.
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Yes, all you said is true NYCred but almost all that presence over the past 30 years has been tied to the basketball program! LOL!
The Lubin house is exactly that...a building (actually 2 buildings) and does not hold any undergrad classes. A campus?
Harvard, Princeton, Cornell all own more buildings in Manhattan. Columbia and NYU have actual campuses and own billions in real estate. The only reason we even mention Syracuse in NYC is because of its success in basketball. If, and when, SJ matches that success, all the ACC $$$ will not keep the Orange fan base in the NY metro area happy because they know that with 50,000 living alumni and more than that in non graduate fans, St. John's can own NYC. It is a shame that it took Mike Repole to shake the old tree in Jamaica. Hopefully, Peter D'Angelo and the trustees do the same in searching for a university president.
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SU only has a presence in NYC b/c of basketball? Are you serious? Yes basketball is a major reason for that presence but it's not the only reason by a long shot. You may want to check out the tons of alumni events that SU has in NYC year round (very well attended events). Unfortunately a very close friend of mine is an SU alum and I am reminded of this all the time. The only thing that will make SU fans unhappy is if the ACC Tournament never makes it to the Garden. Why, b/c they know that they will fill the Garden if that ever happens. Believe me, SU fans are not concerned about whether SJU matches their success, go read some of their posts on their board if you don't believe me. They see themselves as a team that has a presence in NYC & yes basketball is a big reason why but they won't go away just b/c we start winning games.
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Without a doubt. Any Johnnie fan is delusional if he thinks that St. John's winning again will diminish the "Cuse. They own the media here with Syracuse grads,
and every outlet has multiples in that regard. Their communication department dwarfs St. John's. Nope the only hope Syracuse bashers have is that when Boeheim retires they have a Mahoney type hire and it takes years for them to realize. That and their fans being disappointed in the ACC like Boston College fans.
 
My point is really, the only reason there is this perception that Cuse runs NYC is because they have been great lately while we have been awful. Once we start doing well again SU won't disappear, but the attention will be on us. When they come here they come to our house, not theirs. I don't care if they get 50,000 people for a parade down here...still won't make it their home. NYC is ours and will never belong to Cuse even if they win the next 10 championships. At the end of the day they are still much closer to another country (Canada) than NYC. People need to let that sink in.
 
My point is really, the only reason there is this perception that Cuse runs NYC is because they have been great lately while we have been awful. Once we start doing well again SU won't disappear, but the attention will be on us. When they come here they come to our house, not theirs. I don't care if they get 50,000 people for a parade down here...still won't make it their home. NYC is ours and will never belong to Cuse even if they win the next 10 championships. At the end of the day they are still much closer to another country (Canada) than NYC. People need to let that sink in.
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With all this nonsense, let's beat them first.
 
Conference memberships are about more than having good teams. You think Rutgers is joining the Big 10 because they have good teams?

Temple brings the Philadelphia market, even if they're not Philadelphia's team. Philadelphia doesn't really have one team. Temple can add a bunch of TV sets to the network. UConn doesn't add NY City. The ACC is getting that from Syracuse. With Maryland out of their conference, the ACC would like to add a mid Atlantic school.

UConn is seriously disliked by some ACC members. Don't know if Boston College carries much weight, but they'll do everything possible to keep UConn out of their conference. Duke & North Carolina dislike UConn too.

Comparing UConn to Kansas or Kentucky is........
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I still think the influence of Cuse on NYC is way exaggerated. In the NYC metro area it's not like you see Cuse stuff everywhere...the most I've seen is an ad or two on cabs 3 yrs ago. They are not a real NYC team. As I've said before, they are more Canada than NYC. When you think NYC, Cuse will never come to mind...it's like saying Penn State comes to mind when thinking of NYC. Are there alumni and students from the area? Yes. Are there so many that it's overwhelming? No.

The only reason Cuse would even be considered a real NYC area team is because we love winners. SJU is the only TRUE NYC team that has a place in the culture of the area and is truly based in the 5 boroughs and the NYC suburbs. If we start making the top 25 consistently again, you won't hear Cuse being New York's college team anymore.
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Joe, the Cuse influence has nothing to do with where the school is located, its where their alums are and yes, there are that many. There are tons of SU alums in NYC. SU even has a NYC campus (the Lubin House is on East 61st Street).

http://lubinhouse.syr.edu/

People may not think of Syracuse when they think of NYC, but there are plenty of Orange supporters who will happily turn on the TV sets in the greater NYC area to watch them. You are kidding yourself if you think that SU doesn't have a major presence in the NYC area.
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Yes, all you said is true NYCred but almost all that presence over the past 30 years has been tied to the basketball program! LOL!
The Lubin house is exactly that...a building (actually 2 buildings) and does not hold any undergrad classes. A campus?
Harvard, Princeton, Cornell all own more buildings in Manhattan. Columbia and NYU have actual campuses and own billions in real estate. The only reason we even mention Syracuse in NYC is because of its success in basketball. If, and when, SJ matches that success, all the ACC $$$ will not keep the Orange fan base in the NY metro area happy because they know that with 50,000 living alumni and more than that in non graduate fans, St. John's can own NYC. It is a shame that it took Mike Repole to shake the old tree in Jamaica. Hopefully, Peter D'Angelo and the trustees do the same in searching for a university president.
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SU only has a presence in NYC b/c of basketball? Are you serious? Yes basketball is a major reason for that presence but it's not the only reason by a long shot. You may want to check out the tons of alumni events that SU has in NYC year round (very well attended events). Unfortunately a very close friend of mine is an SU alum and I am reminded of this all the time. The only thing that will make SU fans unhappy is if the ACC Tournament never makes it to the Garden. Why, b/c they know that they will fill the Garden if that ever happens. Believe me, SU fans are not concerned about whether SJU matches their success, go read some of their posts on their board if you don't believe me. They see themselves as a team that has a presence in NYC & yes basketball is a big reason why but they won't go away just b/c we start winning games.
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I do not want to diminish the SU alumni gatherings in NYC. That is well managed by the "Lubin campus" building. You may want to check out the Harvard Club for their schedule and the NYU gatherings in your fact finding mission. The one and only reason we are having a discussion about Syracuse and not Harvard is because of basketball. Let us see what the future holds. As for alumni events, I think St. John's has a few ......LOL!
 
Conference memberships are about more than having good teams. You think Rutgers is joining the Big 10 because they have good teams?

Temple brings the Philadelphia market, even if they're not Philadelphia's team. Philadelphia doesn't really have one team. Temple can add a bunch of TV sets to the network. UConn doesn't add NY City. The ACC is getting that from Syracuse. With Maryland out of their conference, the ACC would like to add a mid Atlantic school.

UConn is seriously disliked by some ACC members. Don't know if Boston College carries much weight, but they'll do everything possible to keep UConn out of their conference. Duke & North Carolina dislike UConn too.

Comparing UConn to Kansas or Kentucky is........
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I still think the influence of Cuse on NYC is way exaggerated. In the NYC metro area it's not like you see Cuse stuff everywhere...the most I've seen is an ad or two on cabs 3 yrs ago. They are not a real NYC team. As I've said before, they are more Canada than NYC. When you think NYC, Cuse will never come to mind...it's like saying Penn State comes to mind when thinking of NYC. Are there alumni and students from the area? Yes. Are there so many that it's overwhelming? No.

The only reason Cuse would even be considered a real NYC area team is because we love winners. SJU is the only TRUE NYC team that has a place in the culture of the area and is truly based in the 5 boroughs and the NYC suburbs. If we start making the top 25 consistently again, you won't hear Cuse being New York's college team anymore.
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Joe, the Cuse influence has nothing to do with where the school is located, its where their alums are and yes, there are that many. There are tons of SU alums in NYC. SU even has a NYC campus (the Lubin House is on East 61st Street).

http://lubinhouse.syr.edu/

People may not think of Syracuse when they think of NYC, but there are plenty of Orange supporters who will happily turn on the TV sets in the greater NYC area to watch them. You are kidding yourself if you think that SU doesn't have a major presence in the NYC area.
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Yes, all you said is true NYCred but almost all that presence over the past 30 years has been tied to the basketball program! LOL!
The Lubin house is exactly that...a building (actually 2 buildings) and does not hold any undergrad classes. A campus?
Harvard, Princeton, Cornell all own more buildings in Manhattan. Columbia and NYU have actual campuses and own billions in real estate. The only reason we even mention Syracuse in NYC is because of its success in basketball. If, and when, SJ matches that success, all the ACC $$$ will not keep the Orange fan base in the NY metro area happy because they know that with 50,000 living alumni and more than that in non graduate fans, St. John's can own NYC. It is a shame that it took Mike Repole to shake the old tree in Jamaica. Hopefully, Peter D'Angelo and the trustees do the same in searching for a university president.
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SU only has a presence in NYC b/c of basketball? Are you serious? Yes basketball is a major reason for that presence but it's not the only reason by a long shot. You may want to check out the tons of alumni events that SU has in NYC year round (very well attended events). Unfortunately a very close friend of mine is an SU alum and I am reminded of this all the time. The only thing that will make SU fans unhappy is if the ACC Tournament never makes it to the Garden. Why, b/c they know that they will fill the Garden if that ever happens. Believe me, SU fans are not concerned about whether SJU matches their success, go read some of their posts on their board if you don't believe me. They see themselves as a team that has a presence in NYC & yes basketball is a big reason why but they won't go away just b/c we start winning games.
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I do not want to diminish the SU alumni gatherings in NYC. That is well managed by the "Lubin campus" building. You may want to check out the Harvard Club for their schedule and the NYU gatherings in your fact finding mission. The one and only reason we are having a discussion about Syracuse and not Harvard is because of basketball. Let us see what the future holds. As for alumni events, I think St. John's has a few ......LOL!
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No one denies that basketball isn't a major reason that there is a SU presence in NYC.. My point is that they have a presence & the fact that they are geographically closer to Canada doesn't change that. Whether it's basketball, SU football games at the Meadowlands, alumni events at Yankee Stadium, it doesn't matter. The point is that they have a presence & it aint going away any time soon. True about the St. John's alumni events, now the turnout for those is a different story LOL.
 
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