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Who says I’m downplaying the season? It was a fun ride. But in the end, we were the only 2 seed to not make it past the first weekend. The Big East in general went nowhere in the Tourney.

But Happy Thanksgiving, my little friend.
I say you’re downplaying the season. because I am reading your words, dum dum

Correlation does not equal causation. The big east was down, we were still a great team capable of going on a run. The ncaa tournament is a single elimination tournament. Shit happens. Like our best player fouling out before crunch time even arrives (on some questionable calls at that). I’ve seen 2 seeds lose in the 1st/2nd round several times in my life.

This is the same shit people used to do to jay wrights teams in the mid 2010s. Using tournament results to blame the conference even though nova was always good. Flawed perspective.
 
The 3 teams we have lost to are ranked teams and one of them was the 3rd game in 3 days. It doesn’t mean the team isn’t good. It just means we lost to 3 good, tournament caliber teams.

Also, I’d love to see proof that teams don’t improve. There are probably 5-10 teams each year that start the season slow then make the tournament come March.
I'm as frustrated as the next person on here, but context is also key.

Yeah, to say a team isn't good in November will be the same in March is preposterous. I've been watching sports for 47 years and can name a ton of professional and college football teams who were either average or terrible early on and things turnt out differently midway or late in the season and vice versa. The same goes for professional and college basketball. Teams have and can improve throughout the duration of a season.
 
I'm as frustrated as the next person on here, but context is also key.

Yeah, to say a team isn't good in November will be the same in March is preposterous. I've been watching sports for 47 years and can name a ton of professional and college football teams who were either average or terrible early on and turn out differently midway or late in the season and vice versa. The same goes for professional and college basketball. Teams have and can improve throughout the duration of a season.
That’s true but Rick is going to have to pull off one of his greatest coaching feats to get them to the level we expected. Maybe even greater than when he coached those bums at Panathinaikos to a league title (big Olympiakos guy here)!
 
That’s true but Rick is going to have to pull off one of his greatest coaching feats to get them to the level we expected. Maybe even greater than when he coached those bums at Panathinaikos to a league title (big Olympiakos guy here)!
Yes but the fact he has done it before and we have witnessed it as well here should hold back the intense feelings of we suck and won’t improve etc.

I get the frustration sure. These early season big games for a Pitino team with so much turnover is not a great scenario but has to be done.

But there is a track record and let’s lean on that instead of bashing it before it blossoms.

I’m not saying you are bashing it. Just the overall board consensus.
 
That’s true but Rick is going to have to pull off one of his greatest coaching feats to get them to the level we expected. Maybe even greater than when he coached those bums at Panathinaikos to a league title (big Olympiakos guy here)!
As LJSA stated, Pitino and the staff may have to get creative in trying to find a lead guard as that seems to be the main crux with this team. A legitimate lead guard may be able to "hide" any current (or long-term) defensive issues.
 
- December

- April

Yes DK, Larry, and LMF that team had Arch, frosh Brunson and NBA players as role players. There are other points to make. Mainly, give a good coach time with a talented roster and they will get better. Take a look at the shooting in each of those two games. Nova went from atrocious to amazing. So much is about putting the ball in the basket. Our two best scorers yesterday were ice cold. With good looks. We are not nearly as bad as the current mood of the board is feeling today.


Beat Ole Miss by 6-10 next time out and everyone will feel great about the team again.
 
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No moral victories but we did see some glimpses of what could be re: the scoring ability of our guards. We saw Jackson light it up. Then Sellers. Then Sanon.
We saw good things from our bigs (funny that some of us expressed concern about our captain). Ayo and Prey have been excellent.
It just hasn’t all clicked yet, where we have consistently had three of our guys dominating offensively, and we have more than three who can dominate.
I think things will be humming shortly…
 
- December

- April

Yes DK, Larry, and LMF that team had Arch, frosh Brunson and NBA players as role players. There are other points to make. Mainly, give a good coach time with a talented roster and they will get better. Take a look at the shooting in each of those two games. Nova went from atrocious to amazing. So much is about putting the ball in the basket. Our two best scorers yesterday were ice cold. With good looks. We are not nearly as bad as the current mood of the board is feeling today.

Beat Ole Miss by 6-10 next time out and everyone will feel great about the team again.
I think we beat Ole Miss next week.

The thing that would make me buy the hype again is winning multiple close games against top teams with crunch time offense looking competent, and the team actually having pride in defense & rebounding.

Weatherman won the thread. He said it right. We will beat bad and mediocre teams on talent, and even some good teams. But there’s fundamental problems that results won’t make me feel better about.

I’d feel differently if we had a freshman point guard struggling. The personnel, to me, caps the ceiling and its not until the personnel dramatically changes for that to change
 
As a fan not remotely
I’m just saying. There was a ton of negative posts about kadary Luis smith Scott and I can go on early in the season. Ha even late in the season when we were playing well.

My point is. We felt this way last year and look how we gelled. First year we were playing great at the end to only be snubbed by the committee.

It’s early. Feelings are raw. I know the make up of this team and roster construction is different. But let’s not forget how the last 2 seasons went and how we finished.
There is a major difference, Smith and Richmond were experienced seniors with success at high levels in their resumes as lead guards; Scott was an experienced senior from a winning program. in addition Wilcher, Luis, Eijofor, and Dunlap to a lesser extent, returned.
Neither Sanon, Jackson nor even Sellers had anything close to that. Sellers had experience but not as a lead guard and he showed in the two games before last night what he is capable of when able to hunt shots, a couple of possible poor judgements in shot selection down the stretch against Iowa State notwithstanding.
Sanon and Jackson seem genuinely overrated IMO because neither of them do anything except for making shots and neither APPEAR to be consistent or truly dependable even there. Hopkins is hot and cold as you would expect a player who essentially hasn’t played in two years would be and Darling is being asked to take on a much bigger role than expected. Mitchell is a great glue player but on a team where the pieces are so far apart chemistry wise, glue doesn’t yet make the difference it could.
Could this team gel? Of course they could. Commenting on what is occurring in front of ones eyes is not writing off the season but so far it seems more reminiscent of year one, when the hole the team dug was too deep to climb out of, rather than last year when the team was obviously able to get it together.
Because, like it or not, there are very visible, fundamental flaws in this group, weak perimeter defense and as weak defensive rebounding, a glut of paint playing bigs, inconsistent outside shooting and mostly, IMO, no chemistry and not nearly enough players that understand the importance of and then are willing to get down and dirty.
 
I think we beat Ole Miss next week.

The thing that would make me buy the hype again is winning multiple close games against top teams with crunch time offense looking competent, and the team actually having pride in defense & rebounding.

Weatherman won the thread. He said it right. We will beat bad and mediocre teams on talent, and even some good teams. But there’s fundamental problems that results won’t make me feel better about.

I’d feel differently if we had a freshman point guard struggling. The personnel, to me, caps the ceiling and its not until the personnel dramatically changes for that to change
Ole miss and Kentucky we better be better and win these I do agree on that for the sake of us fans.
 
As a fan not remotely

There is a major difference, Smith and Richmond were experienced seniors with success at high levels in their resumes as lead guards; Scott was an experienced senior from a winning program. in addition Wilcher, Luis, Eijofor, and Dunlap to a lesser extent, returned.
Neither Sanon, Jackson nor even Sellers had anything close to that. Sellers had experience but not as a lead guard and he showed in the two games before last night what he is capable of when able to hunt shots, a couple of possible poor judgements in shot selection down the stretch against Iowa State notwithstanding.
Sanon and Jackson seem genuinely overrated IMO because neither of them do anything except for making shots and neither APPEAR to be consistent or truly dependable even there. Hopkins is hot and cold as you would expect a player who essentially hasn’t played in two years would be and Darling is being asked to take on a much bigger role than expected. Mitchell is a great glue player but on a team where the pieces are so far apart chemistry wise, glue doesn’t yet make the difference it could.
Could this team gel? Of course they could. Commenting on what is occurring in front of ones eyes is not writing off the season but so far it seems more reminiscent of year one, when the hole the team dug was too deep to climb out of, rather than last year when the team was obviously able to get it together.
Because, like it or not, there are very visible, fundamental flaws in this group, weak perimeter defense and as weak defensive rebounding, a glut of paint playing bigs, inconsistent outside shooting and mostly, IMO, no chemistry and not nearly enough players that understand the importance of and then are willing to get down and dirty.
I agree with what you are saying about Richmond and smith. And all the guys. And yes they were point guards and this years team technically only has 1 point guard officially.

But they all needed to learn the system and gel as the year went on. And they were hammered on this board about how they played etc. They weren’t good early on as a group.
We have to give this years team a chance.
 
As a fan not remotely

There is a major difference, Smith and Richmond were experienced seniors with success at high levels in their resumes as lead guards; Scott was an experienced senior from a winning program. in addition Wilcher, Luis, Eijofor, and Dunlap to a lesser extent, returned.
Neither Sanon, Jackson nor even Sellers had anything close to that. Sellers had experience but not as a lead guard and he showed in the two games before last night what he is capable of when able to hunt shots, a couple of possible poor judgements in shot selection down the stretch against Iowa State notwithstanding.
Sanon and Jackson seem genuinely overrated IMO because neither of them do anything except for making shots and neither APPEAR to be consistent or truly dependable even there. Hopkins is hot and cold as you would expect a player who essentially hasn’t played in two years would be and Darling is being asked to take on a much bigger role than expected. Mitchell is a great glue player but on a team where the pieces are so far apart chemistry wise, glue doesn’t yet make the difference it could.
Could this team gel? Of course they could. Commenting on what is occurring in front of ones eyes is not writing off the season but so far it seems more reminiscent of year one, when the hole the team dug was too deep to climb out of, rather than last year when the team was obviously able to get it together.
Because, like it or not, there are very visible, fundamental flaws in this group, weak perimeter defense and as weak defensive rebounding, a glut of paint playing bigs, inconsistent outside shooting and mostly, IMO, no chemistry and not nearly enough players that understand the importance of and then are willing to get down and dirty.
Spot on post
 
If Kentucky beats Gonzaga then this board will say we have no chance against them. And if they lose to Gonzaga then when we beat Kentucky it will be Kentucky isn’t that good.
Many posters are grounded and just see there are more flaws on this team than anticipated. It is quite fair to worry the team is digging a hole they may not get out of re aspirations for a solid seed in the NCAA T. The BE is down a bit and imo there are not that many games to make hay with. Thus the statistical requisites for solid seeding seem a challenge for this group.

Of course there are games to be played. Beating Ole Miss at MSG & Ky in Atlanta seem essential to say the least, as well as finishing in top two in BE. I am concerned they may not have the chemistry and right pieces do this, but of course not folding my cards yet.
 
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